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The Quiet One 
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 Topic: Neo Prog do I like it?
Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:18 |
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Hey need help for this sub-genre. Never heard Pendragon and Marillion, and well any other of the genre. So do you think I could like it? What tastes do I have to have to like it?
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Evans
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:19 |
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If you like Genesis or VDGG you may very well like Marillion. Neo-prog is usually pretty good but pretty cheesy.
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jplanet
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:23 |
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I think it's hard to like or dislike an entire genre...it may come down to particular bands, particular eras of those bands, particular albums, or even just particular songs...it's very hard just to nail down a "Marillion" sound, let alone the sound of a genre...
What genres/bands/albums do you enjoy already? What do you like about them?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:28 |
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Genres: well prog, hard rock 70's and some 00', few pop like Inxs and Simply Red, classic rock like CSNY others. Well very varied but focused quite in the 70's and some 60's.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:31 |
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My fave bands of prog are:
Gentle Giant
Pink Floyd
Yes
ELP
King Crimson
Supertramp
Jethro Tull......Genesis was never my cup of tea neither VDGG.
Hard Rock:
Deep Purple
Led Zep
Black Sabbath
well you know....
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 19:38 |
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Don't make a judgment on it until you've tried it.
Try:
Marillion (Fish-era)
Pendragon
Arena
Satellite
If you don't like any of those, don't bother getting anything else.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 20:05 |
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Marillion (Hogarth-era)
Magenta
Arena
Iluvatar
Sylvan
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 20:48 |
When I came to the forum 4 years ago, Ihad certain prejudice against Neo Prog, but it has changed dramatically, after Symphinic, Neo Prog is my main interest, that's why we agreed to blend the Symphonic and Neo Prog teams due to our comon interest.
My favorite 10 Neo albums are:
- Revolutions: Magenta (Even though it's closer to Symphonic)
- Script for a Jester's Tear: Marillion
- Masquerade Overture: Pendragon
- Push & Profit: Discipline (5 stars material)
- Burning Banners: Cromwell: (5 stars material)
- Etermedia: Framauro:
- Rhetoric: Credo
- Arkana: Asgard
- Dee Yourself: Leviathan
- Seven: Magenta
Iván
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:46 |
 E-Dub wrote:
Marillion (Hogarth-era)
Magenta
Arena
Iluvatar
Sylvan
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C'mon E, you can't rule out Fish-era Marillion. 
Besides, it's a must for any prog fan. Even if you don't end up liking it, it is your duty to hear it.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:52 |
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Of course I can't rule it out. Stonebeard already had that one covered, so I felt it was my duty to recommend my favorite era of Marillion.
And check out my new thread about a planned box set of Fish-era Marillion. And, yes, I'll be getting it!!!
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jplanet
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 02:06 |
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Are these considered neo-prrog? In any case, Cacho, I think you'd enjoy these based on the bands you've listed...
Spock's Beard - Snow, V
Flower Kings - Adam & Eve
Anything by Transatlantic
I dunno, I'll throw it out there...there's some band, I can't remember the name, something to do with a carnival of shadows, or freakrooms, or something.....
;-)
Edited by jplanet - February 21 2008 at 02:07
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Wilcey
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 02:20 |
Neo, well, I guess I am a "Neo" girl, try and remember with bands like Marillion and Pendragon that they have long histories so you might like their early stuff and dislike their current output or visa versa!
Also there is a wide variety of sounds and styles within "neo" personally there are some bands I adore, and some I couldn't listen to unless I am tied down under torture......... so if you don't like one band try not to write off the entire genre!
Based on the stuff you have listed Cacho, try Pendragon's Believe or some Tinyfish (are they neo?) Magenta, IQ(Ever is simply a stunning album) There is planty of good stuff out there!
P-C x
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Dean
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 02:49 |
^ I'd bounce in with IQ's Dark Matter as highly recommended along with any Fish solo albums.
Gazpacho's Night is a great (psuedo?) neo album from last year. (Other borderline Neo's that you may like include Kino and Phideaux)
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Zargus
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 06:35 |
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If you dont like Genesis you might as well stay away from Marillion atleast, the others i dont know, but the marillion i have heard sounded like a poor mans genesis.
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Evans
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:47 |
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Of course, to my ears Genesis sound like a poor man's Marillion, but i tend to be in the minority.
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sleeper
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 09:01 |
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^And to everyone else they sound nothing alike.
I'd add Saens- Escaping From the Hands of God to that list, and Spocks Beard, The Flower Kings and Transatlantic are considered modern Symphonic as far as I know.
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 09:29 |
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I'd have to include IQ and Pendragon in my list, as well. Specifically, IQ's Subterranea and Pendragon's Not Of This World.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 09:37 |
jplanet wrote:
Are these considered neo-prrog? In any case, Cacho, I think you'd enjoy these based on the bands you've listed...Spock's Beard - Snow, VFlower Kings - Adam & EveAnything by TransatlanticI dunno, I'll throw it out there...there's some band, I can't remember the name, something to do with a carnival of shadows, or freakrooms, or something.....;-)
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You are right. Those bands are Symphonic, and so is Shadow Circus (was that the one you were thinking of? ). Which is also a band that should be checked out.
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infandous
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 10:29 |
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Well, as someone who is not crazy about a lot of neo prog, for some reason I really enjoy a lot of IQ. Probably the only album of theirs that doesn't have at least a couple songs I like is Subterranea. I also enjoy a lot of Magenta. And Ivan reminded me of Asgard, who I never considered neo prog, though I understand why they would be put in that category as they have that 80's production and synth and drums sounds (even though their albums are from the mid 90's). Definitely my favorite of all neo bands I've listened to. I've also liked the songs by Collage that I've heard, though I've yet to hear a whole album. I also enjoy early Marillion with Fish, though I haven't listened to any of those albums for a couple of years.
I generally am more of a symphonic fan, but also like a lot of avante/RIO type stuff as well as some folk prog and a whole bunch of the eclectic bands. Personally, I don't see that VDGG has anything at all to do with neo prog (as an influence), with PG Genesis being the most obvious influence.
Also, are Discipline really a neo band? I really don't think they have much in common with most neo bands. But then, I've only heard Unfolded Like Staircase.
Edited by infandous - February 21 2008 at 10:32
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Posted: February 21 2008 at 11:10 |
infandous wrote:
Well, as someone who is not crazy about a lot of neo prog, for some reason I really enjoy a lot of IQ. Probably the only album of theirs that doesn't have at least a couple songs I like is Subterranea. I also enjoy a lot of Magenta. And Ivan reminded me of Asgard, who I never considered neo prog, though I understand why they would be put in that category as they have that 80's production and synth and drums sounds (even though their albums are from the mid 90's). Definitely my favorite of all neo bands I've listened to. I've also liked the songs by Collage that I've heard, though I've yet to hear a whole album. I also enjoy early Marillion with Fish, though I haven't listened to any of those albums for a couple of years.I generally am more of a symphonic fan, but also like a lot of avante/RIO type stuff as well as some folk prog and a whole bunch of the eclectic bands. Personally, I don't see that VDGG has anything at all to do with neo prog (as an influence), with PG Genesis being the most obvious influence. Also, are Discipline really a neo band? I really don't think they have much in common with most neo bands. But then, I've only heard Unfolded Like Staircase.
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"Push and Profit" is more Neo, but it's still really close. I was actually wondering the same thing, but didn't want to be too vocal about it. Discipline is considered Neo royalty by a lot of fans. Either way, a fantastic band. They are also getting back together. They are playing NEARfest, and a small gig in Detroit next month.
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