Possibly the most complicated thing ive ever heard

Playing Pi is complexity for the sake of it as Josh said. They just did that so they could say they did and so they could use the super cool Pi logo.

I'm sorry man, I can't imagine thinking that song sounded good. I like my drummers to be only somewhat polymetric anyway.

I really think you guys are underestimating this music. It is no meshuggah by any means, but meshuggah are in a league all their own. The guitarist is pretty good from the pi song, and the drummer is completly polymetric. So yeah, the music is a bit lacking on the composition side (I thought the pi song, which is what the thread is based on, was well-composed, but some of their other songs are meat-and-potatoes), but it is still not crap. I really like the Pi song. The fact that they memorized the first 71 numbers of pi and played it is impressive enough as is, I mean, I've never tried memorizing pi, but that sounds pretty hard at least. I also liked how it was set up, with the classical guitar thing, silence, some industrial sounds, and how once they were on the pi part, they used stereo effects and stuff to retain the effect.

Here's the first 71 digits of pi if you want to count it out...

3.1415 92653 58979 32384 62643 38327 95028 84197 16939 93751 05820 97494 45923 07816 4



Edited by Nuke - January 20 2008 at 17:47

lol


hey by the way, KingCrimson776, are you a Mars Volta fan yet??


Edited by explodingjosh - January 20 2008 at 16:31

7/8_owns_4/4 wrote: Hirgwath wrote: OK...that video...was a bit of a surprise. Yuck. On the other hand, I find this video awe-inspiring (not in terms of composition, before you post about how they have no understanding of musical theory...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA     Talk about damn good music. DEP is one of the best tech hardcore bands out there.   Perhaps I should have realized before I registered on this forums that this is more of the Genesis, Rush type progressive crowd, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Although Rush is one of my all time favorite bands, these days I'm more into Jazz and metal these days (Between the Buried & Me, Meshuggah[favorite], Death, Cynic, Atheist, Planet X, Allan Holdsworth, Bruford, Pat Metheny) so one would think that I would totally dig something like this, judging by the subject.

I think the friction in this thread is caused because bands like this one (again, I hate generalizations) make 'complex' music for the sake of being different and slllllightly sophisticated in their own little world of metalcore, and most of the bands that we progheads (generalization) are into are the ones that invole and include complexity, with weird time signatures and whatever else, but they offer more than just that. Band like the ones I mentioned above have elements like polyrhythms, time sigs, millions of riffs, but also have feeling, harmonies (whether pretty or dissonant), texture, etc. to create something more.

That Pi song seems so hinged on that single polyrhythm that it loses novelty pretty quick, for me at least. You'll probably be able to impress kids who only listen to hardcore with stuff like this, but, as snobby as it sounds... I don't think that band or that kind of music is even in the same league.

^^^^I think I'm just frustrated more than feeling inferior. I like to have a vulnerable, humble and open minded tone to some topics where I think I have the gist of what's going on and what we're talking about, but I'm not 100% sure, and I might of missed something. This kinda of music is something that I don't listen to alot (but I am exposed to it alot, cause of my younger brother) and I didn't want to make any ignorant generalizations.

But the frustration comes from the fact that this music is soooo popular among young "music fans". They only listen to it for a fake sense of sophistication in their metalcore.

"derrrrr our time signatures f----ing include Pi, we're intellectual motherf---ers"

Abstrakt wrote: DT has made more complex songs that that!

DT tends to stick to one meter. These guys are playing in 2 at once: 4/4 and Pi 

DT has made more complex songs that that!

Eh, I don't know. Somehow I think 'complex' is the wrong word to describe music played by people 
like Brotzmann. Extremely 'dense' maybe, but 'complex'?

I love Brotzmann, BTW, but I think 'complex' is more suitable for composers from the (duh) New Complexity
'movement', like Brian Ferneyhough or James Dillon; also for people like Stockhausen, Elliott Carter and
even the already mentioned Stravinsky.   
 

Well...really and truly, complexity and "complicated" are both relative terms.

It would be good if someone could actually give us a good definition of complicated, so we can make better judgement of the songs complexity.