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Teh_Slippermenz 
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Joined: September 11 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 321 |
 Posted: December 12 2007 at 03:07 |
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You're welcome.  Man, I wonder how they did that....I can't imagine going to an ELP concert, and during KE 9: 3rd Impression, seeing the keyboardist spinning around like a machine. O_O That must have been almost as awesome as a Genesis concert with Peter Gabriel. Edited by Teh_Slippermenz - December 12 2007 at 03:08 |
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micky
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 23:38 |
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hahahhahah no wonder I've always held Gene Simmons in such high regard as a bassist... |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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jammun
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Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
Posted: December 11 2007 at 23:33 |
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As I've mentioned before on this site, back in the day Emerson did more to get us keyboard players noticed during AND laid after a gig than anyone else in the history of rock, possibly excepting Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis, but I'll leave their contributions to your imaginations. Suddenly keyboard players were desireable in a way that had been previously reserved for ANY other instrument, maybe excluding cellos or something. But the spinning piano was the end of the line for me.
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Tarkus31
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Joined: September 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 98 |
Posted: December 11 2007 at 08:31 |
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I think that could also apply to ELP as well.
And thanks for the spinning piano vid.
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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lightyearday
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Joined: November 16 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: December 10 2007 at 07:30 |
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ha ha :O)
no, like Captain Picard once said, "If we are to be dammed, lets be dammed for who we are!"
spelling mistakes and all! Edited by lightyearday - December 10 2007 at 07:31 |
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If you like the music of Rick Wakeman and ELP go to
www.myspace/grahambholley |
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Teh_Slippermenz
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Joined: September 11 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 321 |
Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:18 |
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crimhead
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VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:33 |
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Ouch!! |
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Tarkus31
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Joined: September 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 98 |
Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:32 |
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I think its because ELP wasnt as mainstream as The Who or Floyd, so it was looked down upon more because they were already pretty different from the mainstream stuff, even though from what I understand, prog rock was pretty mainstream in the 70's.
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:28 |
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hahahhaa.. nothing like sleeping on the job.... hopefully you aren't an ATC or something.. oh by the way... take it from one revels in speed typoing ... you can edit typos |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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lightyearday
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Joined: November 16 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: December 09 2007 at 07:11 |
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oh, and sorry for all the typos - i'm bored tired and at work on a sunday morning !!!!!
zzzzzzzzz
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lightyearday
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 07:10 |
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yeah i mean if you look at the live video of 'Pictures,' it's pretty basic stuff. i mean b they had a couple of connons at Ilsel of wight so what. i'm sure the Who and Jimi did some of their art destruction at the same event.
and they later had a couple of armadilloes. hmmm not very rock and roll for sure. but no worse than inflatable dinasuars. oh they used an orchestra! em.. Metallica any one ?
all in all i don't see why Pink floyd get lauded for doing even more ott stuff and producing arguably lesser works.
it's enough to make you go off in a big sulk !
hrmph!
( and aleast no one dressed as a big bloody daisy!)
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Tarkus31
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Joined: September 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 98 |
Posted: December 03 2007 at 20:57 |
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In conjunction with your post, in KE's autobiography, he claims the same thing as why the critics hated them. He claims they were too good. Im not sure if I believe that 100%, but they WERE good at what they did. So I dont know if its ego talking or truth though.
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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lightyearday
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Joined: November 16 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: December 03 2007 at 07:49 |
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ELP are played at some point every day in my house/car/ipod.
to me they are/were enthusiastic, inventive and original. I'd even say 'Love Beach ( no - keep reading!!) has some good points. 'Canario' is quite superb!
I never really got why they were so lambasted by the press or seen as over the top. i tthink this is a myth -if you see any videos or pictures, it wasn't any more over thr top than YES, The Who, or whoever else you care to mention from the same era. I think the genesis ( ho ho) of the lions share of this immpression appears to have been hinted to in Emos book. they didn't get along with the press or many other bands.
I think ELP's crime was they were sussessful with little obviouls hard work ( in their ELP incarnation - i don't doubt they paid their dues in The Nice, King Crimson and TCWOAB) and you know how we in the UK hate success - especialy that of one ( or three) of our own and especialy world wide success.
oh how i'd love them to kiss and lake up and do one last tour!
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Tarkus31
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Posted: November 30 2007 at 18:50 |
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You're so right. If you watch a video of an ELP concert, you can tell they are having so much fun doing what they were doing. Heck, you can tell from just listening to them play live.
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28068 |
Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:25 |
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I hope Muse is not considered 'mainstream' then
 ELP's crime was probably to enjoy themself too much. They didn't die for their art and didn't spend endless hours in live performance staring at their feet like so many so called 'serious' artists do.ELP were pretentious admittedly and thats what critics dwell on ,conveniently ignoring the fact thats lots of mainstream acts were/are equally pretentious.
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Tarkus31
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 13:46 |
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I think that was part of the greatness of ELP. They took things to a new level, and did stuff no one else did or thought of doing.
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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salmacis
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Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
Posted: November 28 2007 at 09:46 |
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I love the short songs on those early Genesis albums, personally. I think every Genesis album from 'Nursery Cryme' through 'A Trick Of The Tail' is 5 star worthy; I can't think of any other prog band I feel quite that way about (Yes come closest but I have to concede that TFTO I find too flawed to give 5 stars too, though I do enjoy it). I'll never see them as average; even on their 80s albums there are some real gems, IMHO. To be frank, I'd take a lot of their 80s work over the vast majority of highly touted modern symphonic prog/prog metal bands.
 The songwriting is in another league to stuff like Kaipa and Glass Hammer, IMHO.
To get back to ELP, they are the most unfairly lambasted band in prog, IMHO. I don't go a bundle on anything they did from 1977 onwards (with the one exception of the Emerson, Lake and Powell album) but from 1970-3, their output is pretty much uniformly superb (save some of the 2nd side of 'Tarkus' and 'Benny The Bouncer', IMHO). A local book shop has a copy of Edward Macan's 'The Endless Enigma' and he makes a very impassioned plea for reappraisal in there. Their main 'crime' was not adhering to the standard 'blues orthodoxy', it seems. I did read a wonderful review on a non-prog site of their anthology where it said we could really do with a band like ELP who were larger than life and very bold at the moment. Certainly, in the UK the mainstream music scene is an absolute cesspit of rubbish, IMHO. I can scarcely think of another period where so many bands have sounded the same (Libertines/Coldplay/Arctic Monkeys clones).
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10618 |
Posted: November 27 2007 at 23:50 |
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For all you ELP fans out there I'd like to mention that Works Volume II has some really cool stuff on it, yet it gets a gratuitous write off due to the tedium of Works Vol I. Read some of the more positive reviews for more info.
The early version of ELP is a truly unique band with its own take on rhythm, harmony, compostition etc. They are like a lot of early progressive rock bands, out on a limb and taking crazy chances, when they are bad they are awful, but when they are good ... |
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Tarkus31
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Joined: September 10 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 98 |
Posted: November 27 2007 at 23:08 |
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As a die hard ELP fan, I know about the orchestra and karate instructors, but I havent heard anything about a carpet roadie. Fill me in?
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
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jimmy_row
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Posted: November 27 2007 at 01:51 |
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I concur. Genesis may be my "favorite" band, but I'm addicted to ELP...something about Emo wigging out on any one of about 10,000 keyboards appeals to me no matter what mood I'm in
(plus, you can always count on Tocatta or Three Fates to clear out a room of annoying people
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