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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2007 at 22:25
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

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helll have a couple more clappies.. we don't have enough ELP fans here..

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uh oh, he's rallying the troops as we speak....before you know it there will be a fleet of armadillo tanks rolling into progarchives...next thing Foxtrot and Selling England will disappear from the top 10 and the Raelites won't know what hit 'em.
 
I'd better go tell Ivan and Erik...things could get ugly.
 
*notices a stray Hammond flying overhead...ducks to avoid whirlwind of daggers and persian rugs* oh, the humanity!


hahahhahah....  yeah.. that will be the day...LOL  I said we don't have enough  fans but we don't want have too many and descend to Genesis level and have  average prog albums hailed by their fans as masterpieces of prog rock  hhahahha.
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Pinchmust resist baiting....must resist
 
I'll pretend you mean the 3-man era...average is not a word to be used in any sentence containing the words Hackett and Genesis.
 
okay an armadillo tank is more badass than a flower costume I'll give you that...but you better watch out for Cynthia...
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Points: 98 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:41
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

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helll have a couple more clappies.. we don't have enough ELP fans here..

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uh oh, he's rallying the troops as we speak....before you know it there will be a fleet of armadillo tanks rolling into progarchives...next thing Foxtrot and Selling England will disappear from the top 10 and the Raelites won't know what hit 'em.
 
I'd better go tell Ivan and Erik...things could get ugly.
 
*notices a stray Hammond flying overhead...ducks to avoid whirlwind of daggers and persian rugs* oh, the humanity!
 
You forgot a spinning drumset and a rotating piano. :)
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:43
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Pinchmust resist baiting....must resist
 
I'll pretend you mean the 3-man era...average is not a word to be used in any sentence containing the words Hackett and Genesis.
 



hahhahaha... oh why fight it... LOL 

maybe I"m just a prog-poser here... but  outside of SEbtP...  I don't hear anything that really is above average, especially when you look across the prog spectrum.  Can't argue that people love them... and love them they do... like  taking an album like Nursury Cryme.. with 3 'established' great songs... and rating it.. as 220 reviewers did.. as a Essential Masterpiece of Prog.. it just smells of.. well .. it smells to me  LOL  Wink


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Originally posted by Tarkus31 Tarkus31 wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



helll have a couple more clappies.. we don't have enough ELP fans here..

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uh oh, he's rallying the troops as we speak....before you know it there will be a fleet of armadillo tanks rolling into progarchives...next thing Foxtrot and Selling England will disappear from the top 10 and the Raelites won't know what hit 'em.
 
I'd better go tell Ivan and Erik...things could get ugly.
 
*notices a stray Hammond flying overhead...ducks to avoid whirlwind of daggers and persian rugs* oh, the humanity!
 
You forgot a spinning drumset and a rotating piano. :)


and the carpet roadie.. the karate instructors..... a symphony orchestra? ...LOL
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^damn those guys carried a lot of baggage! I guess that's why we love 'em...but c'mon, was the friggin' rug really necessary? And what is this you say about karate instructors? LOL Good God.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Pinchmust resist baiting....must resist
 
I'll pretend you mean the 3-man era...average is not a word to be used in any sentence containing the words Hackett and Genesis.
 



hahhahaha... oh why fight it... LOL 

maybe I"m just a prog-poser here... but  outside of SEbtP...  I don't hear anything that really is above average, especially when you look across the prog spectrum.  Can't argue that people love them... and love them they do... like  taking an album like Nursury Cryme.. with 3 'established' great songs... and rating it.. as 220 reviewers did.. as a Essential Masterpiece of Prog.. it just smells of.. well .. it smells to me  LOL  Wink
If you ask me, that rating isn't high enoughWink That album took a feeling Itchycock hinted at and went to the next level with it. People have the same problem here that they have with Selling England, the short songs don't "do it"...but I'd be lying if I said they don't work perfectly at bridging those longer pieces while keeping the dark victorian mood.  And Harold the Barrel is mighty impressive commentary from a 21 year old...and I don't see why Seven Stones isn't held in the same regard as the other three long tracks, the use of build up from verse to chorus is a prog trademark.
 
I do understand how it can be annoying to see people drooling all over stuff that doesn't appeal to you though...there's that one metal band that plays reeeaaalll fast...oops, never mind...Embarrassed
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While I acknowledge that the best of Genesis is better than the best of ELP, I also must admit that ELP finds itself on my personal playlists far more often.
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I concur.  Genesis may be my "favorite" band, but I'm addicted to ELP...something about Emo wigging out on any one of about 10,000 keyboards appeals to me no matter what mood I'm in Thumbs%20Up
 
(plus, you can always count on Tocatta or Three Fates to clear out a room of annoying peopleWink)
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tarkus31 Tarkus31 wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



helll have a couple more clappies.. we don't have enough ELP fans here..

ClapClap
uh oh, he's rallying the troops as we speak....before you know it there will be a fleet of armadillo tanks rolling into progarchives...next thing Foxtrot and Selling England will disappear from the top 10 and the Raelites won't know what hit 'em.
 
I'd better go tell Ivan and Erik...things could get ugly.
 
*notices a stray Hammond flying overhead...ducks to avoid whirlwind of daggers and persian rugs* oh, the humanity!
 
You forgot a spinning drumset and a rotating piano. :)


and the carpet roadie.. the karate instructors..... a symphony orchestra? ...LOL
 
As a die hard ELP fan, I know about the orchestra and karate instructors, but I havent heard anything about a carpet roadie. Fill me in?
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For all you ELP fans out there I'd like to mention that Works Volume II has some really cool stuff on it, yet it gets a gratuitous write off due to the tedium of Works Vol I. Read some of the more positive reviews for more info.
The early version of ELP is a truly unique band with its own take on rhythm, harmony, compostition etc. They are like a lot of early progressive rock bands, out on a limb and taking crazy chances, when they are bad they are awful, but when they are good ...
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I love the short songs on those early Genesis albums, personally. I think every Genesis album from 'Nursery Cryme' through 'A Trick Of The Tail' is 5 star worthy; I can't think of any other prog band I feel quite that way about (Yes come closest but I have to concede that TFTO I find too flawed to give 5 stars too, though I do enjoy it). I'll never see them as average; even on their 80s albums there are some real gems, IMHO. To be frank, I'd take a lot of their 80s work over the vast majority of highly touted modern symphonic prog/prog metal bands. Ouch The songwriting is in another league to stuff like Kaipa and Glass Hammer, IMHO.
 
To get back to ELP, they are the most unfairly lambasted band in prog, IMHO. I don't go a bundle on anything they did from 1977 onwards (with the one exception of the Emerson, Lake and Powell album) but from 1970-3, their output is pretty much uniformly superb (save some of the 2nd side of 'Tarkus' and 'Benny The Bouncer', IMHO). A local book shop has a copy of Edward Macan's 'The Endless Enigma' and he makes a very impassioned plea for reappraisal in there. Their main 'crime' was not adhering to the standard 'blues orthodoxy', it seems. I did read a wonderful review on a non-prog site of their anthology where it said we could really do with a band like ELP who were larger than life and very bold at the moment. Certainly, in the UK the mainstream music scene is an absolute cesspit of rubbish, IMHO. I can scarcely think of another period where so many bands have sounded the same (Libertines/Coldplay/Arctic Monkeys clones).
 
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I think that was part of the greatness of ELP. They took things to a new level, and did stuff no one else did or thought of doing.
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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

I love the short songs on those early Genesis albums, personally. I think every Genesis album from 'Nursery Cryme' through 'A Trick Of The Tail' is 5 star worthy; I can't think of any other prog band I feel quite that way about (Yes come closest but I have to concede that TFTO I find too flawed to give 5 stars too, though I do enjoy it). I'll never see them as average; even on their 80s albums there are some real gems, IMHO. To be frank, I'd take a lot of their 80s work over the vast majority of highly touted modern symphonic prog/prog metal bands. Ouch The songwriting is in another league to stuff like Kaipa and Glass Hammer, IMHO.
 
To get back to ELP, they are the most unfairly lambasted band in prog, IMHO. I don't go a bundle on anything they did from 1977 onwards (with the one exception of the Emerson, Lake and Powell album) but from 1970-3, their output is pretty much uniformly superb (save some of the 2nd side of 'Tarkus' and 'Benny The Bouncer', IMHO). A local book shop has a copy of Edward Macan's 'The Endless Enigma' and he makes a very impassioned plea for reappraisal in there. Their main 'crime' was not adhering to the standard 'blues orthodoxy', it seems. I did read a wonderful review on a non-prog site of their anthology where it said we could really do with a band like ELP who were larger than life and very bold at the moment. Certainly, in the UK the mainstream music scene is an absolute cesspit of rubbish, IMHO. I can scarcely think of another period where so many bands have sounded the same (Libertines/Coldplay/Arctic Monkeys clones).
 
 
I hope Muse is not considered 'mainstream' thenConfused
 
ELP's crime was probably to enjoy themself too much. They didn't die for their art and didn't spend endless hours in live performance staring at their feet like so many so called 'serious' artists do.ELP were pretentious admittedly and thats what critics dwell on ,conveniently ignoring the fact thats lots of mainstream acts were/are equally pretentious.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

I love the short songs on those early Genesis albums, personally. I think every Genesis album from 'Nursery Cryme' through 'A Trick Of The Tail' is 5 star worthy; I can't think of any other prog band I feel quite that way about (Yes come closest but I have to concede that TFTO I find too flawed to give 5 stars too, though I do enjoy it). I'll never see them as average; even on their 80s albums there are some real gems, IMHO. To be frank, I'd take a lot of their 80s work over the vast majority of highly touted modern symphonic prog/prog metal bands. Ouch The songwriting is in another league to stuff like Kaipa and Glass Hammer, IMHO.
 
To get back to ELP, they are the most unfairly lambasted band in prog, IMHO. I don't go a bundle on anything they did from 1977 onwards (with the one exception of the Emerson, Lake and Powell album) but from 1970-3, their output is pretty much uniformly superb (save some of the 2nd side of 'Tarkus' and 'Benny The Bouncer', IMHO). A local book shop has a copy of Edward Macan's 'The Endless Enigma' and he makes a very impassioned plea for reappraisal in there. Their main 'crime' was not adhering to the standard 'blues orthodoxy', it seems. I did read a wonderful review on a non-prog site of their anthology where it said we could really do with a band like ELP who were larger than life and very bold at the moment. Certainly, in the UK the mainstream music scene is an absolute cesspit of rubbish, IMHO. I can scarcely think of another period where so many bands have sounded the same (Libertines/Coldplay/Arctic Monkeys clones).
 
 
I hope Muse is not considered 'mainstream' thenConfused
 
ELP's crime was probably to enjoy themself too much. They didn't die for their art and didn't spend endless hours in live performance staring at their feet like so many so called 'serious' artists do.ELP were pretentious admittedly and thats what critics dwell on ,conveniently ignoring the fact thats lots of mainstream acts were/are equally pretentious.
 
You're so right. If you watch a video of an ELP concert, you can tell they are having so much fun doing what they were doing. Heck, you can tell from just listening to them play live.
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ELP are played at some point every day in my house/car/ipod.
 
to me they are/were enthusiastic, inventive and original.  I'd even say 'Love Beach ( no - keep reading!!) has some good points.  'Canario' is quite superb!
 
I never really got why they were so lambasted by the press or seen as over the top. i tthink this is a myth -if you see any videos or pictures, it wasn't any more over thr top than YES,  The Who, or whoever else you care to mention from the same era. I think the  genesis ( ho ho) of the lions share of this  immpression appears to have been hinted to in Emos book. they didn't get along with the press or many other bands. 
 
I think ELP's crime was they were sussessful with  little obviouls hard work ( in their ELP incarnation - i don't doubt they paid their dues in The Nice,  King Crimson and TCWOAB) and you know how we in the UK hate success - especialy  that of one ( or three) of our own and especialy  world wide success.
 
oh how i'd love them to kiss and lake up and do one last tour!
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Originally posted by lightyearday lightyearday wrote:

ELP are played at some point every day in my house/car/ipod.
 
to me they are/were enthusiastic, inventive and original.  I'd even say 'Love Beach ( no - keep reading!!) has some good points.  'Canario' is quite superb!
 
I never really got why they were so lambasted by the press or seen as over the top. i tthink this is a myth -if you see any videos or pictures, it wasn't any more over thr top than YES,  The Who, or whoever else you care to mention from the same era. I think the  genesis ( ho ho) of the lions share of this  immpression appears to have been hinted to in Emos book. they didn't get along with the press or many other bands. 
 
I think ELP's crime was they were sussessful with  little obviouls hard work ( in their ELP incarnation - i don't doubt they paid their dues in The Nice,  King Crimson and TCWOAB) and you know how we in the UK hate success - especialy  that of one ( or three) of our own and especialy  world wide success.
 
oh how i'd love them to kiss and lake up and do one last tour!
 
In conjunction with your post, in KE's autobiography, he claims the same thing as why the critics hated them. He claims they were too good. Im not sure if I believe that 100%, but they WERE good at what they did. So I dont know if its ego talking or truth though.
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yeah i mean if you look at the live  video of 'Pictures,' it's pretty basic stuff. i mean b they had a couple of connons at Ilsel of wight  so what. i'm sure the Who and Jimi did some of their art destruction at the same  event.
 
and they later had a couple of armadilloes. hmmm  not very rock and roll for sure. but no worse than inflatable dinasuars. oh they used an orchestra! em.. Metallica any one ?
 
all in all i don't see why Pink floyd get lauded for doing  even more ott stuff and producing arguably lesser works.
 
 it's enough to make you go off in a big sulk !
 
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oh, and  sorry for all the typos   - i'm bored tired and at work on a sunday morning !!!!!
 
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Originally posted by lightyearday lightyearday wrote:

oh, and  sorry for all the typos   - i'm bored tired and at work on a sunday morning !!!!!
 
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hahahhaa.. nothing like sleeping on the job....  hopefully you aren't an ATC or something..

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