Why many people dislike The Flower Kings

i have listened only adam and eve,it's a great album,i love it.i do not support the idea that all the new bands are genesis yes pink floyd elp...clones.i just can say that new ones maybe are influenced by these giants ,but ifluenced. not copied from them. 

^ sounds like a long series of misunderstandings ... the biggest being about Wallstreet Voodoo. Just because it's not prog doesn't mean it's commercial.

You guys, The Flower Kings are a great band, way better than any band with pretensions of being progressive like The Mars Volta or Muse. The bands I just mentioned just homoginize old sounds and try to act like their music is something new, whereas TFK let their influences show. TFK can do this because they are actually a far more original band than TMV (I just like to pick on them) or many other new bands, in my opinion, and they sound better to me because of this. TFK use alot of jazz influence in their music, primarily in the bass and their use of horns. TMV also do, but I think that their sound is just homoginized salsa punk with some Rush whereas TFK use the jazzy parts as ends in themselves; because jazz just sounds good.

Afterall, when can we stop progressing? When have all the boundries been broken? Are we never free to do whatever we want, must we keep moving forward and shun all music that uses a proven formula and puts their own spin on it? To dislike TFK is fine, but to use the fact that they are not trying to progress rock music is not an argument. Many bands (like the ones I mentioned) aren't doing it either, they just want to seem like they are. But that is again beside the point, the percieved differences in the progressiveness of bands like TFK and bands like TMV is caused by the fact that TMV have the mindset that it is necessary to always move forward (or seem like you are, for fear of people finding out about your band's complete lack of musical substance), to never be at the point when anything can be done and bands are not dillusionally criticised for simply making great sounding music.

TFK? .. hmmm


don't dislke at all..... they committed the greater sin to me of simply being boring and derivative.

any one who wants a NM- copy of Space Revolver just PM me.. send me a few bucks for postage.. and I'll mail you damn thing.. It doesn't  even sit with my prog albums.. right now is right between Fleetwood Mac and The Vince Guaraldi Trio


Edited by micky - November 14 2007 at 20:59

King Crimson776 wrote: You guys, The Flower Kings are a great band, way better than any band with pretensions of being progressive like The Mars Volta or Muse. The bands I just mentioned just homoginize old sounds and try to act like their music is something new, whereas TFK let their influences show. TFK can do this because they are actually a far more original band than TMV (I just like to pick on them) or many other new bands, in my opinion, and they sound better to me because of this. TFK use alot of jazz influence in their music, primarily in the bass and their use of horns. TMV also do, but I think that their sound is just homoginized salsa punk with some Rush whereas TFK use the jazzy parts as ends in themselves; because jazz just sounds good. Afterall, when can we stop progressing? When have all the boundries been broken? Are we never free to do whatever we want, must we keep moving forward and shun all music that uses a proven formula and puts their own spin on it? To dislike TFK is fine, but to use the fact that they are not trying to progress rock music is not an argument. Many bands (like the ones I mentioned) aren't doing it either, they just want to seem like they are. But that is again beside the point, the percieved differences in the progressiveness of bands like TFK and bands like TMV is caused by the fact that TMV have the mindset that it is necessary to always move forward (or seem like you are, for fear of people finding out about your band's complete lack of musical substance), to never be at the point when anything can be done and bands are not dillusionally criticised for simply making great sounding music.

micky wrote: TFK? .. hmmm don't dislke at all..... they committed the greater sin to me of simply being boring and derivative. any one who wants a NM- copy of Space Revolver just PM me.. send me a few bucks for postage.. and I'll mail you damn thing.. It doesn't  even sit with my prog albums.. right now is right between Fleetwood Mac and The Vince Guaraldi Trio

King Crimson776 wrote: TMV also do, but I think that their sound is just homoginized salsa punk with some Rush

All who think that homogenized salsa punk with some Rush should be made into a new Progarchives subgenre please raise your hands.

King Crimson776 wrote: You guys, The Flower Kings are a great band, way better than any band with pretensions of being progressive like The Mars Volta or Muse. The bands I just mentioned just homoginize old sounds and try to act like their music is something new, whereas TFK let their influences show. TFK can do this because they are actually a far more original band than TMV (I just like to pick on them) or many other new bands, in my opinion, and they sound better to me because of this. TFK use alot of jazz influence in their music, primarily in the bass and their use of horns. TMV also do, but I think that their sound is just homoginized salsa punk with some Rush whereas TFK use the jazzy parts as ends in themselves; because jazz just sounds good. Afterall, when can we stop progressing? When have all the boundries been broken? Are we never free to do whatever we want, must we keep moving forward and shun all music that uses a proven formula and puts their own spin on it? To dislike TFK is fine, but to use the fact that they are not trying to progress rock music is not an argument. Many bands (like the ones I mentioned) aren't doing it either, they just want to seem like they are. But that is again beside the point, the percieved differences in the progressiveness of bands like TFK and bands like TMV is caused by the fact that TMV have the mindset that it is necessary to always move forward (or seem like you are, for fear of people finding out about your band's complete lack of musical substance), to never be at the point when anything can be done and bands are not dillusionally criticised for simply making great sounding music.

You just don't like The Mars Volta for some weird reason. It really confuses me. I'm almost wanting to believe that it has nothing to do with the actual music, but your perception of it.

And the "for fear of people finding out about your band's complete lack of musical substance" is almost insulting. Define "musical substance". If you mean complexity, well TMV is complexity on acid. If you mean memorable melodies (something of which TMV does not focus) , then that's just a matter of taste, whether you want that kind of thing in your music or not. Neither involves dillusion on the listener's part.

It's hard for me to put my finger on what I don't like about The Flower Kings.  I don't have a problem with bands not being original per se.  I just don't like the Flower Kings because I find them incredibly....boring.  Nothing about them appeals to me, not the songwriting, singing, etc. 

I really don't hear any "plagerism" in the Flower Kings music. I actually love the way they combine a diverse array of influences into a prog gumbo. And their influences don't just come from prog, Roine Stolt is also a huge Joni Mitchell fan, and a great bluesman as well.