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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:22 |
 jammun wrote:
Interesting to note that the 80's version of Yes or a band like Asia makes the cut on the site -- based entirely on their members' 70's pedigrees --
The policy of the site is to add all albums from a band to keep the coherence, we are all concious that some iconic bands made terrible albums in the 80's, but they earned their right with the Prog albums.
and a band like Dire Straits, who were at the time clearly during that era more competent than either Yes or Asia, gets the thumbs down.
Prog Archives is not an award, thousands of great bands are not here despite they made wonderful albums and some terrible Prog bands are listed here, we add Prog bands not for their quality, but because they are part of the genre.
In the same way we try not to add non prog bands despite how good they are because it's a Prog database.
Not saying DS should be included here, however. Knopfler and the crew made some great albums and they always were for lack of a better word "atmospheric", but it wasn't prog to me.
I agree with both statements, I love Dire Straits, but their are not Prog or related, as simple as that
Nonetheless, that's what I was listening to in the 80's, not the dinosaurs.
I wouldn't call them dinosaurs, because duinosaurs bvecame extint, while most of them are still touring and some even releasing albums, in my case I spent the 80's learning about the music of the 70's.
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Seyo
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:08 |
I don't see them very much prog, despite having a handful of long tracks. Actually, their best work (for me) are their early Dylanesque/JJ Cale laid back pub rock albums...
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:39 |
i am a big fan of Dire Straits, i have all their albums - Love Over Gold is a strong case for calling them a Prog band but one album does not make a band Prog. I think they have been proposed in the past but are on the rejected list. 
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 22:13 |
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They have their proggy moments (Telegraph Road for example) but I don't think they should be included. Still a great band though, and albums like Love Over Gold remain as one of my favorites!
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jammun
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 22:10 |
Interesting to note that the 80's version of Yes or a band like Asia makes the cut on the site -- based entirely on their members' 70's pedigrees -- and a band like Dire Straits, who were at the time clearly during that era more competent than either Yes or Asia, gets the thumbs down. Not saying DS should be included here, however. Knopfler and the crew made some great albums and they always were for lack of a better word "atmospheric", but it wasn't prog to me. Nonetheless, that's what I was listening to in the 80's, not the dinosaurs.
Jim
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 16:33 |
akin wrote:
It is certain Dire Straits is not considered a progressive rock band by the great majority of people. But to say it is not fit for the site is impossible, since there is no defined rule for this, so every band is elegible.
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I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast.....
Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.'
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akin
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 16:22 |
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It is certain Dire Straits is not considered a progressive rock band by the great majority of people. But to say it is not fit for the site is impossible, since there is no defined rule for this, so every band is elegible.
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Posted: August 04 2007 at 18:07 |
The T wrote:
We're discussing DIRE STRAITS but if someone dares mention Black Sabbath or Metallica, both of which have much more relation to prog (at least to one genre of prog, today's leading genre) people's eyes go berzerk and others ask to "stop it" ...very welll....
So when's Elvis coming to PA? |
Yesterday.  You didn't know?
But to be on topic... great band, not prog.
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The T
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Posted: August 04 2007 at 18:06 |
We're discussing DIRE STRAITS but if someone dares mention Black Sabbath or Metallica, both of which have much more relation to prog (at least to one genre of prog, today's leading genre) people's eyes go berzerk and others ask to "stop it" ...very welll....
So when's Elvis coming to PA?
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Posted: August 04 2007 at 05:42 |
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Dire Straits album MAKING Movies had a couple of 8 minute songs on it.
Some of Knofler's solo soundtracks may get close to prog.
But in the end I don't think they quite make it although Knofler has the artistic ingenuity and integrity of a prog artist and I'm sure if he wanted to could have made a few decent prog albums.
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:11 |
Most of their stuff isn't prog, though I think love over gold was absolutelly prog, no question in my mind. Of all the bands suggested for PR recently this has been the first I could get behind. Also Knofflers solo stuff is often even proggier and should be checked out.
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The T
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 14:55 |
WITH THIS ONE I DISAGREE (and that's saying a lot).... 
Please....
When will Korn get added? They really marked an "evolution"in rock...
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 13:52 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Personally, I think "Love over gold" was as close as they got to prog, but not close enough even for prog related in my opinion.
A fine band though. |
What he said.
(DS have been already discussed many times here, as well.)
All that glitters is not prog. 
Not that "prog" is anywhere near satisfactorily delineated, either -- as a separate, readily-defined genre, it doesn't even exist! Blurrier and blurrier....
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 04:00 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Personally, I think "Love over gold" was as close as they got to prog, but not close enough even for prog related in my opinion.
A fine band though. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 02:47 |
Amazing band, I used to surf with those old yellow waterproof walkmans while listening "Lady Writter", excelent band.
But not Prog for the 70's, 80's, 90's or 00's standards.
Lady writer on the tv
She had all the brains and the beauty
The pictures does not fit
Youd talk to me when you felt like it
Yeah, great music despite being anything but Prog.
Iván
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 19:58 |
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 16:52 |
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 16:48 |
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Love Dire Straits. They are a great adventurous rock band with varied influences, but I don't think they should be on the site, even though, as you said, Telegraph Road is 14 minutes long.
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Chicapah
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 16:41 |
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I love the band, too, but they probably feature way too much variety in their influences to be included here. I've always thought "On Every Street" had some fine prog moments.
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 16:31 |
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Well I think you guys are probably right. They wouldn't qualify for progressive in this sites definition...which is a good thing, we shouldn't just accept every singly good band on the face of this earth as progressive. One cannot deny though, after listening to "Love Over Gold" that for being in the 80's (an extremely bad era) they were one of the few bands that really explored folk rock and melded many styles.
One thought though, think about this, Dire Straits made the song Telegraph Road...a 14 minute number...and somehow got it to receive regular radio airplay, I have heard it about 3-4 times on the radio...and I rarely listen to the radio...how did they manage that?!! Dire Straits is one of the few bands that you never hear people saying "Their songs are too long" they just go ahead and play them...its really amazing. Anybody know how that works?
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