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TheProgtologist
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Topic: World Clock Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:28 |
I don't start many topics but my wife found this and I thought it was interesting,pretty cool and a little scary.
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johnobvious
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:33 |
So this is saying that there are over 2 people born for each death. Wow.
Food for thought but the whole idea of the clock just depresses me. I know the world is in the crapper, but having to look at it like this is not a pleasing idea.
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:36 |
I like the illegal immigration counter.
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Atkingani
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:39 |
Cardiovascular diseases are the real villain...
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clarke2001
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:41 |
It is very scary indeed. But personally I think that this clock should be in front of every person on this planet right now. Sadly, we need more education and more warnings. I was shocked not by births or death, but by hectares of forest forever gone. That's horrible. While I wrote this post, the number of woods surface in hectares gone is: 91.
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The Miracle
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:42 |
Yeah
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johnobvious
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:44 |
I'm not sure who this quote comes from "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die." The earth's natural resources are stretched to the limit, we are living longer and third world countries compound their lack of resources by continually churning out more children. It boggles my mind when you see people living in squalor, and they go about pumping out kids to what, revel in the enjoyment? Human existence and our drive to "Go forth and multiply" sometimes clash in my mind.
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Proletariat
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:48 |
johnobvious wrote:
I'm not sure who this quote comes from "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die." The earth's natural resources are stretched to the limit, we are living longer and third world countries compound their lack of resources by continually churning out more children. It boggles my mind when you see people living in squalor, and they go about pumping out kids to what, revel in the enjoyment? Human existence and our drive to "Go forth and multiply" sometimes clash in my mind. |
They need the kids to work, you forget that they have to do physical labor and need children to support them when they get old because they dont have any Social Security.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:55 |
^ You're also forgetting the increase of kids amongst the poor in developed nations. The fact is that in developed countries, children are tax write-offs. It's not so much about having a kid ot take care of you so much as a stipend check. This is certainly not always the case, or even usually the case, but it does happen. Plus, poor people are less likely to have had sex education or even the money for protection or birth-control pills. Others still view such as objects as religiously objectionable. There needs to be some world-wide movement to raise awareness for such things (hopefully NOT in the form of a massive concert) before we all end up like China with rampant abortions limitations for teh number of children one can have.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 21:04 |
clarke2001 wrote:
I was shocked not by births or death, but by hectares of forest forever gone. That's horrible. While I wrote this post, the number of woods surface in hectares gone is: 91.
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That one shocked me too.
Also,since I initially looked at the clock,3 species have went extinct.
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johnobvious
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 21:08 |
I understand the need for children to work in agricultural situations. And I understand the whole thing is not black and white and there are no easy answers. And I don't want to come off as, "these people need to stop being a burden on the resource hogging US of A." A lot of my frustration comes from the leaders of these countries. Why is so hard to get someone in charge that is decent and will do better by their people instead of living lavishly on the sweat of their people? That is the biggest problem.
Why doesn't Kim Jung Il drop dead and someone get in charge who can put the work ethic of the N. Korean people to good use so they can live like people instead of animals. But you know the next a**hole in line will be the same. Would you have a kid if you were a N. Korean? What kind of life is that? Would you have a kid in the middle of the many Civil Wars being waged in Africa? If your answer is yes, I respect that, but I think that is the "food for thought" type of thing I am going for.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 21:12 |
johnobvious wrote:
Why doesn't Kim Jung Il drop dead and someone get in charge who can put the work ethic of the N. Korean people to good use so they can live like people instead of animals. But you know the next a**hole in line will be the same. Would you have a kid if you were a N. Korean? What kind of life is that? Would you have a kid in the middle of the many Civil Wars being waged in Africa? If your answer is yes, I respect that, but I think that is the "food for thought" type of thing I am going for.
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I imagine those children come from the few moments of pleasure in those people's lives. Contraception isn't an immediate worry in those countires, plus humans tend to feel a need to keep their line alive. Sure, a kid born in N. Korea will most likely have the same horrible life of his parents, but he or she ensures that the line doesn't end.
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memowakeman
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 01:10 |
The number of abortions is terrible, so is the illegal immigration, that makes me sad jaja
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 01:12 |
I think it's an interesting application, but some some counters are scary, others are a bit more useless than you can think of.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 05:39 |
memowakeman wrote:
The number of abortions is terrible, so is the illegal immigration, that makes me sad jaja |
I' d think this is terribly over-estimated, too! I suspect the line below it makes it a strong anti-choice supporter (I'm not using the pro-life they call themselves, since we know those people don't like life, since they don't care about the mother's intellectual well-being)
But just imagine how much quicker world population would grow if there weren't any.
Can't help but feeling there is some kind of hidden agenda behind this! Beit religious, or installing fears (end of the world etc...) or other motives ........
A lot of these numbers are terrifying (the most are : cars and oil >> I dearly hope bo is for bottles than Barrels of Oil )
Edited by Sean Trane - July 31 2007 at 08:43
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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toolis
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 06:11 |
a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is statistics...
Joseph Stalin
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sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
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Jim Garten
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 07:42 |
Hey - at least we're making more bicycles than cars, eh?
toolis wrote:
a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is statistics...
Joseph Stalin |
There are lies, damned lies, statistics & the internet...
...still an eye opener, though
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thellama73
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 07:47 |
Sean Trane wrote:
memowakeman wrote:
The number of abortions is terrible, so is the illegal immigration, that makes me sad jaja |
I' d think this is terribly over-estimated, too! I suspect the line below it makes it a strong anti-choice supporter (I'm not using the pro-life they call themselves, since we know those a-holes don't like life, since they don't care about the mother's well-being)
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I suppose defending myself is a sure fire way to get this thread closed, but I would appreciate it if you didn't call me an a-hole simply because I think killing babies is immoral.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 08:04 |
thellama73 wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
memowakeman wrote:
The number of abortions is terrible, so is the illegal immigration, that makes me sad jaja |
I' d think this is terribly over-estimated, too! I suspect the line below it makes it a strong anti-choice supporter (I'm not using the pro-life they call themselves, since we know those a-holes don't like life, since they don't care about the mother's well-being)
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I suppose defending myself is a sure fire way to get this thread closed, but I would appreciate it if you didn't call me an a-hole simply because I think killing babies is immoral.
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I'll take my word back, because last thing I want to do is start a whole debate on this issue. And I don't want to hurt anyone either. I believe that each must decide for themselves and let the others do so for themselves. But those calling themselves pro-life are indeed intruding on personal issues that is no business of theirs.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 08:09 |
That is fascinating, as long as it's not 'agenda driven' and is just a source of information.
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