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Badabec
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 08:33 |
andu wrote:
This somehow reminds me of a brilliant verse that I
can't get out of my head: "The memories of a man in his old age/Are the
deeds of a man in his prime"...
I won't name some artists, but I'll throw this observation:
doesn't it seem interesting to you how in rock music the creativity
peak is at a much younger age than in other genres that are more
academic? I mean, in classical music the older/more mature you
get, the better your works are (of course taking account of the several
notable exceptions); on the other side, in rock many musicians peak at
18-25 years and very rarely equal at the age of 40-50 years their deeds
from their prime. I've been thinking about this for some time without
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Maybe this is the case because after the age of 25 they start to found
a family and don't have as much time as they had when they were younger.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 08:43 |
In most cases, it seem to be early on, but after a few learning experiences. However, that's not always true. Steve Hackett is currently doing some of his best work. Jeff Beck is also doing music now that is only paralleled by his early to mid '70s period. PFM just did their best album since the '70s. Paul McCartney's "Chaos and Creation" is one of his all time best albums, and he released an excellent classical work in "Ecce Cor Meum."
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Roskisdyykkari
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 09:08 |
Ian Anderson (in fact, the whole Jethro Tull): 1972 - 1977 Back then, his voice was in top-condition, he did the most excellent albums such as Thick as a Brick and Songs from the Wood. His flute-playing has always been great, but especially since the 70s it has been fantastic. The best year of Jethro Tull / Ian Anderson must be 1972, but 1977 was pretty damn good year for them as well, and so were all the years between 72 and 77.
--- And this one is not-so-prog, but I'll mention it anyway: Nicko McBrain: 1988 Of course I like his drumming before that year, but on the album "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" - wow! One of the best drum-albums that I have ever heard. Just listen to "Infinite Dreams", damn I like that drumming! In the 90s Nicko didn't play THAT good drum-patterns, and especially on the album Virtual XI his drumming sounds very boring. Luckily he has always played well live even though he did some boring drum-patterns on few albums. And luckily his drumming on the latest IM-album, A Matter Of Life And Death, his drumming is almost as good as it was in the 80s!
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lady_iona
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 09:27 |
Steve Walsh , Kansas 1978 saw them that year he looked good in his little yellow shorts and he sang superb also played some wicked keyboards and ran around everywhere on stage like he was unstoppable knee pads looked good too
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King Zappa
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 10:36 |
Rodger Waters, 1971. After this he seems to have stoped trying to improve his playing and prefered to spend his time re-writing the same songs about how he doesn't want the money that he had.
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tuxon
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 11:02 |
Freddie Mercury 1975-1976
In the years between 1967 and 1974 he was building up to that creative perfection by learning the skills and the experience he needed to manipulate his music to do what was in his head and transfer it to recorded music. After that he stayed capable but his creativity and novelty waned a bit untill he learned he died, which unleashed another creative peak between 1988 and 1990.
top moment: Bohemian Rhapsody
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NutterAlert
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 11:06 |
need to ask Ricochet how old he is, as he's just peaking (he won a piano contest at the weekend playing with Debussey).
Hey, Rico, how old are you now?
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blazno
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 11:37 |
John Zorn - every time he plays ![Smile](smileys/smiley1.gif) he's always pushin the boundries of his playing as well as the boundries of musical compositiones
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febus
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 12:26 |
JOHN WETTON---1974 when he was the meanest bassist on earth
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fuxi
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 12:32 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Steve Hackett is currently doing some of his best work. Jeff Beck is also doing music now that is only paralleled by his early to mid '70s period. PFM just did their best album since the '70s. Paul McCartney's "Chaos and Creation" is one of his all time best albums, and he released an excellent classical work in "Ecce Cor Meum." |
I don't know how many people would agree that these artists are now doing some of their best work, but even if that's true, they seem to be exceptions, rather than the rule. Generally speaking, rock musicians peak before they are thirty, although they may return later in life, for a few more molehills...
Perhaps the fact that they get children, or feel they have partied enough, is part of the reason. Another explanation could be that most rock music is a typically ADOLESCENT means of expression.
In prog, I guess players who keep trying to reinvent themselves (e.g. Fripp, Hackett, Bruford) are the truest musicians of all. But the question remains: why do so many jazz musicians keep making the most imaginative music, well into their thirties and forties, and beyond? Surely the lives they lead are just as irregular as rock musicians' lives?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 12:34 |
Hackett hasn't reinvented himself, just expanded his horizons.
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The Acolyte
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 12:37 |
Ì've been thinking and I agree with someone who says that this topic is very related with the albums you like, so my favorites are: Mike Howlett (bass) - 1974 - Gong; Steve Hillage (guitar) - 1975 - solo work (Fish Rising); Andy Latimer (guitar) - Andy Ward (drums) - 1973-1976 - Camel; Dave Jackson (sax) - 1975 - VdGG
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fuxi
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 13:10 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Hackett hasn't reinvented himself, just expanded his horizons. |
O.K., that's a better description of Bruford's development as well.
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 16:12 |
fuxi wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Hackett hasn't reinvented himself, just expanded his horizons. |
O.K., that's a better description of Bruford's development as well. |
...and a clever play on words... ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Sasquamo
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 17:49 |
The older you get, the better you should get. Of course, in the case of many rock musicians, they sometimes seem to reach a plateau and never get better, for all sorts of reasons, maybe from not practicing, or maybe from having a poor technique that can only get them so far. But as you get older, you might run out of things to say, especially if you were pretty groundbreaking early on.
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greenback
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 20:31 |
Sasquamo wrote:
The older you get, the better you should get. Of course, in the case of many rock musicians, they sometimes seem to reach a plateau and never get better, for all sorts of reasons, maybe from not practicing, or maybe from having a poor technique that can only get them so far. But as you get older, you might run out of things to say, especially if you were pretty groundbreaking early on. |
it is hard to ask phil collins to be better on drums than on trick of the tail & unorthodox behabviour
wind and wuthering has excellent drum parts, but not at the same level as on ATOTT. after that, the demise started for collins. TLLDOB is original in terms of drums but it is not spectacular.
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patomtz
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Posted: May 15 2007 at 21:28 |
Daniel Gildenlow (songwriting), Petrucci (guitar) 90s and 00
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I still can't get how Dream Theater music is created by humans
Dream Theater in Monterrey, Mexico 03.03.06 Unforgettable
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el böthy
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 00:02 |
On a creative level or on a technical level?... I will talk about both
Creative
Jon Anderson 1972/1974 - I dont only mean the singing, Jon was pretty much the mind behind Close, Relayer and of course Tales. Tales might not be for everyone, but I find some parts that are just... magical. He would still make great music, but in those 2-3 years... he was touched my God or something ...he also sung his best in that period!
Peter Hammill 1971/1974 - The same as with Anderson, this man alwasy, alwasy sings great, I love his vocals in Present, but when it comes to... composing, those years where perfection, as simple as that
Technically
Martin Lopez 2003/2005 - He always was a great drummer, but in his later albums he just does some incredible stuff, and its so recognizable, you can tell that its Lopez who is playing!
...I want to say Fripp 1969/2007... but I dont want to sound like a freakin n00b fanboy ajjajaja
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