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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:24
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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I love ELP. They may be bombastic and show off way too
much (well, mostly Emerson shows off too much), but the music is still
great. There is better songwriting than what people give them credit
for. I just have one huge gripe about them: all their albums have weak
filler.


maybe I'm a fanboy but that whole filler thing never washed with
me.  It was plainly obvious if you read up a bit on them that some
tracks that are commenly trashed as 'filler' were done with the express
intent to 'lighten' the mood of the albums.  If you want to be
beat over the head for 40 minutes nonstop with Tarkus like intensity..
you are a better man than me LOL


You don't understand; the tracks I consider filler are not the "Jeremy Bender"s and the "Benny the Bouncer"s, it's stuff like Take a Pebble and all the tracks on side 2 of Tarkus after Bitches Crystal. I like the lighter stuff. However, I wouldn't mind 40 minutes of Tarkus-like intensity!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:32
Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:



You don't understand; the tracks I consider filler are not the "Jeremy Bender"s and the "Benny the Bouncer"s, it's stuff like Take a Pebble and all the tracks on side 2 of Tarkus after Bitches Crystal. I like the lighter stuff. However, I wouldn't mind 40 minutes of Tarkus-like intensity!


good man.... have a couple of clappies...wait a sec..

 Take a Pebble ? ...filler?  that was a concert staple for years.. and a great song to boot
 ( 1 clappie deduction)

ClapClap - Clap = Clap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2007 at 22:16
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:


You don't understand; the tracks I consider filler are not the
"Jeremy Bender"s and the "Benny the Bouncer"s, it's stuff like Take a
Pebble and all the tracks on side 2 of Tarkus after Bitches Crystal. I
like the lighter stuff. However, I wouldn't mind 40 minutes of
Tarkus-like intensity!


good man.... have a couple of clappies...wait a sec..

 Take a Pebble ? ...filler?  that was a concert staple for years.. and a great song to boot
 ( 1 clappie deduction)

ClapClap - Clap = Clap

 LOLWink


Take a Pebble (on the debut) goes on and on and on and on... I was waiting the whole time for something good to happen, and it never happened!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 03:05

Take A Pebble was a good way of answering critics that thought ELP were going to be bombastic all the time.It made a nice concert interlude.As Micky said it would get a bit too much to have Toccata,Tarkus and Karn Evil 9 and nothing else. ELP developed an acoustic set within the main set thanks to TAP and perhaps even invented the 'unplugged' concept.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 07:45
I would agree about the studio version of TAP, but the version on "Welcome Back My Friends" is stunning, particularly the new piano section after the initial vocals and before Greg's solo spot. As Richard says, it's a good opportunity to take the pace down a bit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 08:43
I don't go a bundle on Emerson's overtly long (imho) piano showboating inserted into the Welcome Back...version of Take A Pebble, but there's a very good version on the Beyond The Beginning DVD set. And I've always liked the original too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:03
Donīt forget the connection between ELP and videogame music!
A LOT of japanese videogame musicians were heavily influenced by them. Nobuo Uematsu's band (The Black Mages, listed on the Progressive Metal section) performed a great version of Uematsu's "Dancing Mad" (composed for the Final Fantasy VI game in 1994) and it sounds a lot like Tarkus.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 17:41
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Take A Pebble was a good way of answering critics that thought ELP were going to be bombastic all the time.It made a nice concert interlude.As Micky said it would get a bit too much to have Toccata,Tarkus and Karn Evil 9 and nothing else. ELP developed an acoustic set within the main set thanks to TAP and perhaps even invented the 'unplugged' concept.



well before Zepp ever thought of it.. hahhahaha   ClapClap good call Richard. have some clappies..

ahh... Zep..once again.. influenced BY prog..  not one on it.  grrrr...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 19:36
I think that Keith's and ELP's repertoire can aloud Keith to give a concert with only the piano, alone or with an orchestra.  I am dreaming of that kind of show; Keith on the piano at La Place des Arts with the Montreal Symphonic Orchestra and Kent Nagago in front. That would be a great show to attend.Big%20smile   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2007 at 19:46
Originally posted by Prog.Sylvie Prog.Sylvie wrote:

I think that Keith's and ELP's repertoire can aloud Keith to give a concert with only the piano, alone or with an orchestra.  I am dreaming of that kind of show; Keith on the piano at La Place des Arts with the Montreal Symphonic Orchestra and Kent Nagago in front. That would be a great show to attend.Big%20smile   


Amen sister, that it would.  Good dream as well  I used to dream of seeing the Allman Brothers in some dive where you have to worry about getting a knife stuck in your back.  Adds to the ambiance hahahha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 07:30
As a previous poster said, I too enjoy the 'Filler' tracks. They're amusing and light hearted. A pleasure to listen to.

To date I have only fully listened to their self titled debut (which I think is a brilliant album) and Tarkus (which I think is good but not as enjoyable as their debut)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 22:57
both Greg Lake and Carl Palmer have been added to the database.. Emerson? .. hopefully soon....

Richard - thanks for all your help...  not that I have any say...but  you've earned first reviews in my bookLOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 23:21
Count me in as a big ELP fan too.  Often misunderstood band that really did masterful work in the 1970's, even if Love Beach was a big mistake (though Memoires Of An Officer...is a really lovely piece of music).  Listening to alot of Emerson's output after their split makes it easy to see how much each member of the band complimented each other. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 01:37

The biggest prog band of their time & deservedly so. Only YES & PINK FLOYD were equals in conquering the worldClap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 02:34
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

both Greg Lake and Carl Palmer have been added to the database.. Emerson? .. hopefully soon....

Richard - thanks for all your help...  not that I have any say...but  you've earned first reviews in my bookLOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 05:10
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

both Greg Lake and Carl Palmer have been added to the database.. Emerson? .. hopefully soon....

Richard - thanks for all your help...  not that I have any say...but  you've earned first reviews in my bookLOL

ClapClap


I added Emerson earlier this morning  - to Art Rock, because I got no reaction from the Symph Team, and it seemed quite absurd to me to have the other two, but not the keyboard wizard himself.Wink

As to "Take a Pebble" being filler... I realise there's no accounting for people's tastes, but that particular track is one of my favourite moments in prog. Greg Lake's vocal performance is next to stunning (it's his own composition, after all), and the piano and acoustic guitar interludes in the middle are pure magic. I'm no big fan of the "lighter" moments, though, with the sole exception of "The Sheriff".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 05:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 05:23
If Emerson doesnt belong to Symphonic prog, who does?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2007 at 05:26
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

If Emerson doesnt belong to Symphonic prog, who does?


Emerson was accepted for inclusion about a year ago. No one offered to add him, until I decided to take matters into my own hands and add him to Art Rock. However,  I can't add bands to other subgenres without the permission of the team involved. If the Symphs see he's been added to AR and wish to take him under their wing, I'll move him in two seconds flat - as Admin, I have access to the DB and can move bands whenever it is necessary to do so.
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