Emerson, Lake and Palmer Appreciation
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Topic: Emerson, Lake and Palmer Appreciation
Posted By: Snow Dog
Subject: Emerson, Lake and Palmer Appreciation
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 13:29
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ELP fans. Here we can talk about ELP and ELP related projects. What are your favourite moments from ELPs history? Why do we like them so much. Share! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 14:49
Is this going to become an ELP war?? Well I like ELP very much... I haven't found any Album that satisfies me completely though.. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 15:44
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ELP = masterliness.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 15:54
you can count me in for the ELP fanboy database. 
------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 16:02
| Yeah me too- love the first 5 albums and 'Welcome Back My Friends...' to bits. Their late 70s re-emergence I'm less enamoured of but I do like the Emerson, Lake and Powell album a lot. |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 16:13
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Emerson, Lake And Palmer is so good. I simply love their stuff from
1970-1974. To be honest, I haven't heard anything after 1974 with the
exception of the Black Moon-album and that sucked.
------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 16:18
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Kill me. I enjoy Love Beach. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 16:38
You know what? Over time I have gotten fond of it too. The Hot Seat one though....has its moments I suupose.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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andu wrote:Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 16:41
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we should maker a banner with some sentence like that one from the Genesis forum Ivan quotes in his sig : "only a true ELP fan loves every ELP song" or something like that  ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 18:49
That sounds a bit masochistic Andu  I prefer to listen and watch 1970-1977 ELP, especially the early era when Keith Emerson blew everybody away with his mindblowing work on the Hammond organ and Moog synthesizer. His stage antics in those days were magical like wearing that blue space jacket and playing on the huge modular Moog synthesizer, to be seen on the Italy tour documentary 1973.
One of my ELP collector items is a video of the 90 minutes version of the Pictures At An Exhibition tour, outside Japan released in a shorter version.
My favorite ELP studio album is their first, my favorite ELP album of all times is Pictures At An Exhibition, so compelling, exciting and innovative
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:06
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When the Bass hits home on "Still you turn Me On" than I know why I love ELP.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:08
Funnilly enough, I was thinking of that song earlier, and really wanted to hear it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:10
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well Erik i was just roleplaying the fanboy, i actually never got to listen to anything closer in time than Love Beach (i guess "The Music of ELP" tribute doesn't count), so, you know... the future holds unlimited possibilities.
------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:10
Just put on the carnival album when I noticed this thread.
what a thrill, what a thrill.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:14
From all my time here Tux, I never realised that you were in any way an ELP fan. Goes to show I suppose how little we know of each other sometimes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:25
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Well, I just love ELP and most bands that play their style of keyboard prog music. Let´s make a list of ELP influenced bands here?
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:29
Triumvirat? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:32
Some secrets are best kept to yourself
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:34
you mean, like, compromising secrets?  ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:36
Being an ELP fan is a compromising secret...or at least it was. You don't remember the "ELP wars" do you. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:38
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i'm newbie. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:40
Par Lindh Project (heavy on the organs and baroque music)
Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso (ever so slightly) ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:42
Mastermind? (Early stuff anyway) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:44
I didn't want to bring it up, actually i cut it out of the reply before posting, but those were the days.
maybe Karny will re-emerge in this thread.  ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:46
I seriously hope not. I liked the guy, but things got too intense. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:51
I saw things...terrible things....horrible things.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:56
There, there now......ssshhhhhhhhhhh!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 19:59
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i have some questions for you fanboys. 1st - was ELP a successful band or were they also an influential one, in your opinion? were they leading a crowd because they were it's best "athletes" or were they drawing "the rules of the game" they were playing, for them and for others too? i hope you get the nuance; name and comment, please. 2nd - if they were influential, did their influence cross genres' borders? i remember that when i got into prog and had a genuine perception of all this music, i was struck by the connection i felt between ELP and fusion like Weather Report, for example. is there any relation to be drawn between Emerson and fusion keyboard players? i really am curious and i don't have the necessary insight to get proper answers. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:04
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Back to basics again if we will.
so bands that were influenced by ELP.
so far we have:
Triumvirat (obviously)
Early 90's Swedish prog (Anglagard, Pär Lindh project) Itallian Symphonic prog (Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso) Mastermind (don't know them myself, so i will trust Snow White on this) any others (or disagree with the ones brought in already). ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:05
UK......slightly maybe? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:07
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You really think Anglagard, tux?
I'd say they're KC, GG, and a lot of sadness (possibly concurrent with the Scandinavian scene  ). ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:09
I agree.....but I think theres a little ELP in there.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:13
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I love 4 albums ELP Tarkus Trilogy and Welcome Back My friends ( which is a top 10 of all time )
I quite like Works ,I find Pirates quite creative
Bombastic, iconoclastic , pushing the boundaries ,overblown pretence , rock music would have been poorer without them.
I think we've all had enough laughs over Love Beach to compensate for the 10 bucks we spent on it.
And we also have to thank them for providing their asses as prog music's favorite whipping boy with the rest of the rock and roll industry
There one should only include positive statements on an appreceation thread. ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:19
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Well, let´s try do the homework:
- Italian bands influenced by ELP:
LE ORME
TRIADE
ALPHATAURUS
RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
THE TRIP (just on the Atlantide and Time of Change albuns)
- Japanese bands:
DEJA VU
GERARD
ARS NOVA
RUINS (just on the Symphonica album)
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By the way: the new NEXUS album, Perpetuum Karma has been just released. This argentinian band is led by keyboardist extraordinaaire Lalo Huber, who is definetly an Keith Emerson disciple.
Another german ELP influenced band from the 70´s: TRITONUS
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:32
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And let´s not forget some american bands like CAIRO; GLASS HAMMER, ROCKET SCIENTISTS (these bands mix ELP, Genesis and Yes influences, but the keyboard/organ playing is definetly Emersonic); from the 70´s: QUILL
Another current italian band: TAPROBAN
The russian LITTLE TRAGEDIES
Another german band from the 70´s(besides the already mentioned Triumvirat and Tritonus): AMOS KEY
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:34
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How about Magellan?
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:40
| Yeap, some bit of influences on that too, in spite of the heavy guitars... |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:51
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I honestly can't find the connection between Par Lindh Project and ELP.
ELP is mainly based in late Romantic/early Modern Classical while Par Lindh Project takes late Religious Gothic Music and Baroque.
Keith is very skilled but his technique is not so good (Remember he never had formal musical studies in a conservatory or Music School, only with some private teachers) while Par Lindh is a full musician with complete formation and a solid career as Classical Organ and Piano performer before returning to Prog.
ELP is way over the top, they love the excesses while Par Lind Project create a dark and sober atmosphere.
And Anglagard, reminds me more of Genesis meets King Crimson than ELP.
My two cents.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:51
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There´s also a couple of ELP TRIBUTE BANDS:
NODDY´S PUNCTURE (this english band released some weeks ago a live album "Thank You Masked Man" featuring Keith Emerson)
SEVEN VIRGINS & A MULE
An Israeli influenced band: TRESPASS (their latest album is even more classic sounded, with hints from The Nice)
and a venezuelan from the 70´s: PARTHENON
Two great keyboard prog bands that differ a bit from ELP, due to the self charisma of the respective players are REFUGEE AND TRACE.
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:55
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I also agree that ELP are not the prime influence in the 90´s Scandinavian Prog (Anglagard, Landberk etc), as the mentioned King Crimson and Genesis.
Anyway, Lars Fredik Froilie, keyboard player from norwegian Wobbler, throws some ELP leanings on their "Winterland" debut album.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 21:01
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Who are Emerson Lake and Palmer ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 03:03
I tend to agree Ivan ..although Par is an ELP fan.However he sounds more like Rick Wakeman in style when he plays the piano than Emerson.
Anglagard sound nothing like ELP or any other prog band to my ears.Thats why they are so respected I guess.I would like to see PLP get more recognition as well even if they aren't quite as original.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 03:24
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My appreciation of ELP started in 1977 when they came back with Works Volume One.Although I didn't like that album I started to go back and get the earlier albums.As a teenager I played Tarkus countless times,especially the live version,but Trilogy and BSS had all that I wanted as well. ELP were innovative in using the synthesisier and keyboard in prog.They had the the most exciting drummer in rock music and one of the best singers as well.We are talking a real supergroup.One with substance and unbelievable talent.For me their crowning glory is Brain Salad Surgery.Dark lyrics and flowing passages of music that left most of the contemporaries behind.Having hit upon something it seemed that the seeds of their own self destruction were sown.They were always seeking for something new to do but later projects although brave (in the case of Works and the orchestral tour) where not really what the fans wanted.
At their best ELP could combine jazz,classical and rock music..play it at break neck speed and make it look easy.They took the sythesiser and made it their own personal palyground.They broke down barriers with their sheer exhuberance and total inability to recognise any limitations.They were arrogant and pompous but able to do things that other bands could not do..and didnt those other bands know it! They raised the benchmark according to their own talent ..not to where what others thought it should be.They are progressive rock!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 03:46
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Tarkus was the first prog album that made me just sit there and go 'Wow...'
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 04:39
| Only YES were better than ELP! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 05:42
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Could members keep the one liners (humorous or otherwise) to a minimum in threads like this. They are a distraction for those wishing to have a constructive debate.
Simply saying "I like them"/"I don't like them"/"I like another band better" does not stimulate discussion.
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 06:30
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Worldwide ELP has influenced many bands, especially the sound of the Hammond organ and Moog synthesizer. I have made this compilation from formations that incorporated ELP elements: Argentina:
Nexus
Japan:
Deja Vu
Social tension (the Japanese ELP)
Ars Nova
Gerard (trio)
Brasil:
Lehmejum
Germany: TritonusTriumvirat
Collegium Musicum (Czechian ELP)
Italy:
Alluminogeni
Alphataurus
Le Orme (early era)
The Trip
Triade
Standarte (Cursus And Invocations)
Holland:
Trace
Sweden:
Par Lindh Project (Mundus Incompertus)
USA:
Atlantis Philharmonic
By the way, huge respons until so far, Snow Dog, ELP seem to appeal to many Prog Achives visitors, what a surprise
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 08:24
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Of course they are. I mean, they couldn't be revered as much as they are in prog circles if there weren't fans.
As for them not being influential, I think that's nonsense. The band were very early in terms of utilising then state of the art synthesisers. Not THAT many prog albums from around 1970-1 were using Moogs etc, but Emerson was on 'Lucky Man'. I think it was him and Manfred Mann who perhaps were amongst the earliest to explore it as a rock instrument with solos more akin to guitar solos rather than the more atmospheric, electronic experiments that appeared in the late 60s. Whether they were THE first is doubtful and hard to prove yet it could be heard on, say, 'Tarkus' and 'Pictures At An Exhibition' (that of course they'd been playing since their very first gigs), in greater concentration than I had personally heard elsewhere from before that, at any rate. |
Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 16:19
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ELP is absolutely fantastic progressive rock music. If it were not for them I wouldnt have developed an appreciation for other prog bands. They pioneered everything and managed to be remarkably marketable while doing it. I am kind of an oddball in that I love "Works Vol 1" because it is incredible on a certain few tracks which make the whole album 5 stars, I also do not hate Love Beach. Personal favorite is BSS because KE9 is AWESOME and super fun to drum along to! Tarkus is pretty decent The first album is prime! Trilogy is totally solid Pictures is psychadelic! And classical...how did they manage that?!!! Brain Salad Surgery is beyond definition...perfection, even "benny" is good! ELP is awesome No doubt about it !!! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 17:14
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Richardh made some good points about ELP, but my perspective is a bit different. ELP had more success than the expected because they never were really a band, just an artificial supergroup created joining successful members of different bands but with very little in common.
This doesn’t mean they were not influential, of course they were, ELP were one of the big 5, but they were never a band that grew and developed a style together as Yes or Genesis, they joined being already big and developed nothing new in their styles, they just blended what they already had. I believe ELP were really lucky, “Trilogy” and “Brain Salad Surgery” were incredibly good for a supergroup, they sounded absolutely cohesive and coherent. But this was a mirage, I believe they were afraid that they could never make another album as the two previously mentioned, so they took a long break from the studios and their time was over. Seems that in the late 70’s they were not so interested in band project as in personal projects, this had to happen in any moment as in most supergroups. Emerson and Lake have opposite perspectives about music, while Keith is pompous and Classical oriented, Greg is a ballad singer trapped in a Prog band, his side in Works I is terrible and Keith’s Piano Concerto is not much better, incredibly the best side of this I album is the one by the musician from who I expected the less, Carl Palmer sounds as ELP should had been sounding, even better than the excessively long Pirates and fanfare. . The case of Works II is even worst, they had signed a contract but were not interested in more band material so they went to the archives and used rejected songs from the Works I project which of course made an even worst album, the rest well was downhill, they were not interested in ELP anymore, and only released Love Beach because they had already been paid for it. Each certain number of years they joined again when they needed money and released a couple of albums (The horrendous In the Hot Seat and the less than average Black Moon) but they never were a band again, just a trio of excellent musicians forced to play together because they had much more success than in solo projects. I believe ELP worked for a longer period than any normal supergroup. Richardh wrote:
Good point, if there’s a song that reminds me of Par Lindh it would be Judas Iscariot by Rick Wakeman before than any ELP stuff.. Iván -------------
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Posted By: spleenache
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 17:26
| I cannot stand Greg Lake's voice. Another big weakness in the band is Carl Palmer. He could not drum his way out of a wet paper bag. They are a hodge podge mixture. Not a group |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 17:44
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What about Kansas?... I could really sense something ELP-ish in "Magnum Opus" (what a modest title).. right after Walsh ends the sang part. But I guess they were not as much an influence as Genesis.. also the sang segment sounds a bit like one of Tarkus' movements
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 18:04
This is an appreciation thread. Can you take your ill conceived opinions and get lost? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 18:15
wrong thread for this (as Snowy pointed out
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 18:36
Without really wanting to debate this (wrong thread again) , one of the reasons that Emerson wanted to work with Lake was because he had a very good classical collection.In fact Greg Lake still regularly includes the classical version of Pictures At An Exhibition on his favourite album lists.They had plenty in common in both music taste and musical goals.Sorry but its wrong to suggest otherwise.
This next bit is one of oddest things I've ever seen written about ELP:
''I believe ELP were really lucky, “Trilogy” and “Brain Salad Surgery” were incredibly good for a supergroup, they sounded absolutely cohesive and coherent. But this was a mirage, I believe they were afraid that they could never make another album as the two previously mentioned, so they took a long break from the studios and their time was over.''
ELP were hot up to a certain point (1974).Then the creative juices stopped flowing.That happens to all bands.There is no stock rule that it should happen after 4 years ,14 years or 24 years.Other bands like Yes benefited from line up changes which helped keep things fresh.ELP were 'just' Emerson,Lake and Palmer and so naturally had a shorter time at the top of their game.This is also quite common for 3 peice bands in prog and rock music that are often more volatile than 4 or 5 peice bands.ie Police and Cream spring to mind.Rush make a notable exception perhaps but there are few other examples I can think of. |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 19:45
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To me Greg Lake has the best voice in prog (great range ) and I'm definetly not a devout ELP man
As far as I know although he liked ballads he has always been an unashamed prog artist by comparison with PG who was about the first to walk away and has never looked back. ( although his pop is creatrive I've never really found it to sound like prog ) ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 19:52
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Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 23:02
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Just a note, in Keith's biography he mentions how much he realized Lakes talent, specifically with "Cest La Vie" and its only natural with the bassist/singer to write songs with a guitar in hand which gives a specific sound. I am a guitarist/keyboardist/drummer and when I write songs on guitar they tend to be more singer/songwriter, when I write with piano - it turns out to be more prog/classical, when I write while playing drums it is usually beat oriented with complex time signatures, not that the three don't intertwine, but for each one they come to a differant conclusion. Lake isn't going to write something like "Tarkus" because that would be the last thing someone would think to write on a guitar, just like keith isnt going to write a strumming song on his piano (with the exception of the opening of "take a pebble...lol) Just because they sound differant when solo doesnt mean they werent working toward a common sound. Good discussion though :) |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 00:38
exactly... that's why good songwritters usually tend to compose with a piano, because it gives you a more linear perspective and you can come up with more creative harmonies and counterpoints... of course there are exceptions... but with the piano you could come up with amazing dissonant harmonies in intervals of seconds and fourths (the fact that you could hit more notes of the chord that gives the harmony more completion). sometimes I sit at the piano and try to play the composer ... I leave the piano a bit amazed... with the guitar I feel blocked most of the time.
My father is an arranger and although he doesn't play the piano he has to use it as guide ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 05:41
The last statement I agree 100% . The Works period is 'fair game'.They had lost a lot at that moment but there were indiviudal disasters that got in the way especially re Emerson who had become addicted to heroine at one point,became seperated from his wife and even his house burned down! I believe they were in the process of recording solo albums but the record company did not want them as three solo artists but rather as a band.Hence the muddle that was Works Volume One.I do like Pirates though and would consider that one of their better efforts and certainly their last worthwhile offering as a band.
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 11:02
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I'm glad to have seen ELP live in 1997 at a clssic-rock-open air in Dortmund. When I came ( I had travelled by train from Freiburg ) they just had started and the chords of "Touch and go" came to my ears... still love it, as I do love "Paper Blood" and "Daddy" but of course, most of all, I have to love them for their elder work. Think that "Brain Salad Surgery" is their best studio-outing, but "Trilogy" is nearly as fine and I still think of "Tarkus" as a masterpiece. I do love Greg Lake's X-mas- song, too, as I always did with "C'est la Vie" since I was a child.
ELP were very, very special and I have to be in the right ( heady ) mood to put on thier cds but when I am there's nothing better
------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 17:21
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I just need all of you to watch these... Emerson is a true jazz pianist http://youtube.com/watch?v=rWaxu6Ft-rM - HERE!!! this is amazing boogie ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: spleenache
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 19:12
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I watched the video. Thanks for the link. But Keith sounds like his left hand only has three fingers. Is this true?
I have another question. Do you think Carl Parlmer tunes his drums. If yes to which key?
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 19:47
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ELP is the one band that I regret never having seen in their prime. I never saw Genesis, I never saw Floyd, but the one I really wanted to see was ELP (Saw Yes and KC so they don't count!) .
ELP's studio albums never quite did it for me though - always a live band to my mind. "Welcome Back My Friends" for its faults is still the best live prog album I've heard. "Aquatarkus" is one of the great live performances IMHO!!!
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 22:10
I can't really tell in which key, because I'm no drummer... I don't know how they tune each head ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 03:44
Ditto, ditto, ditto. Very insightful and well-put commentary! |
Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 12:45
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Happy new Year to all in this thread And what about the 2 ELP cover compilations:
ENCORES LEGENDS AND PARADOX (Magna Carta label bands and personel)
FANFARRE FOR THE PIRATES (Mellow Records italian label and bands)
Any comments?
Now I´m listening the american ELPproggers Cairo; what´s youfave album from them?
The 1st one is worth alone for the fantastic track Ruins of Avalon Gate
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 05:27
I've got both.Encores Legends and Parodox is part of a series of tribute CD's that was also done for Genesis,Yes,Tull,Floyd and Rush.Very professionally done but a little bit boring.My favorite track there is Toccata which features some 'fun and games' from Jordan Rudess.
Fanfare For The Pirates is much more intersesting as some of the bands have put their own interpretation on the tracks without trying to replicate them.The version of Karn Evil 9 3rd Impression by Finnish techno band Matrix Mind is my favourite although there also good versions of The Sage and Jerusalem as well.The version sof Tarkus are a bit boring though.The best tribute version of tarkus I'v heard is by Japansese trio Ars Nova which features on the Keyboards Triangle album.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=8449 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=8449
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 14:27
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Quite good view, Richardh
Who do you think has the best solo career:
E, L or P?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:21
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I like Emerson's film soundtrack music.The 3 CD set 'Emerson At The Movies' which features remasters of Inferno,Nighthawks and Best Revenge is very good to listen to.
I don't listen to Greg's 2 solo albums very much ..too AOR for my taste.
Carl's own band is great to see live but he doesn't really have a solo career.
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Posted By: red.sector_a
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 17:33
| i only have pictures at an exhibition, but i freaking love that album and am going to the store tomorrow as they have been at the top of my "get more of" list for a while. |
Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 20:53
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I always loved this band since 1973 when my cousin Jimmy made me discover them. At that time, I was only 13 years old, but I liked it at first earing. I saw ELP live two times; once in 1977 at the Olympic Stadium with the orchestra, and a second time in january 1993 on a smaller venue. Finally, I saw Carl Palmer Band playing this year in may on a small venue and it was great.
ELP music makes me feel good. It's great because there are many variations in their music; classical, jazz, rock, folk, blues sometimes, pop rock etc... Their music is very colorfull and surprising. Sometimes, it's gentle and tender, and suddenly, it's agressive and fast. (Trilogy, the song is a good exemple of what they can do...). I grew up with the progressive music like GG, KC, Genesis, PF and so on, but ELP were my favorites and they still are. Today, I can realize that they were very innovative for the time, and ahead of their time. Their music did stand the test of time. It's true because the younger generations still listen to ELP as I can read on this site. My highlights this year: meeting Carl, worked for him and had some chats with him. I hope someday to meet Greg and Keith. Who knows ... ------------- C'est la vie |
Posted By: OGTL
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 20:58
| ELP's best moment.. Trilogy, from Trilogy the album, 2:55-4:48. |
Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 21:32
Pictures at an Exhibition is arguably one of the best live albums ever, I usually don't like live albums that much, but it rocked ------------- Bassists are deadly 
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Posted By: Mike777
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 01:59
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"Pictures at an Exhibition is arguably one of the best live albums
ever, I usually don't like live albums that much, but it rocked" Have I got something for you! That's my favorite album of all time and I have just found a new live 1977 concert recording of Pictures! Listen to a ELP full 1977 concert online! Mid South Coliseum, 127 minutes. From the Bill Graham concert archives! Free to listen! Features Tarkus, Pictures, and more. If you haven't heard this yet- don't wait! I can't believe how different this version of Pictures is compared to the live album- Keith is making very different sounds from the moog! Hundreds of other rare concerts from the Bill Graham archives and they are also adding King Biscuit concerts as well! Concert Vault: http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ Enjoy! (let me know if you did!) Mike |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 02:20
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Here's some ELP appreciation for ya
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=106096 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=106096 -------------  
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 03:30
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 04:17
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Everything up too love beach is fantastic, BSS is ofcourse the mile stone but the rest is allso very good. ------------- 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 06:17
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Indeed, their solo careers don't seem to have taken off. Emerson's 'Honky' is quite fun and enjoyable enough yet I've not really heard anything else, but Greg Lake's solo career is rather bland stuff which you could hear from any run of the mill heavy rock act, imho.
ELP as a band are FAR more varied than anyone gives them credit for. Take Pictures At An Exhibition- you have folk, heavy rock, a touch of jazz, not to mention the obvious classical inspiration. |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 07:16
Thanks, Mike! I had heard about Concert Vault but did not realise it had an ELP concert. Really enjoyed listening to it.  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=326" rel="nofollow - Read reviews by Fitzcarraldo |
Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 11:46
  
Wizard, you are not a fan, so you don't know what you are talking about. ------------- C'est la vie |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 10:29
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Why do we like them so much?
Mmm.....i always think of elp as an extreme cool band and certainly a band with balls of steel ;-) no serious, i mean they didn't care what everyone else thought about them and just did what they wanted to do musically from classical to jazz, folk, hardrock(even without electric guitar) and back. If they wanted to tour with an orchestra they did it (not a great move but ok, i give them credit to have the nerves to do that), if they wanted to update an classical piece they did it, if palmer wanted to play an cool drumsolo with gongs, timps and all that he did it, if emo wanted to play an piano solo he did it. They took huge risks muscially and financially with a attitude of 'veni vidi vici' and for a short period they succeeded. Maybe 1/3 of the material is really, really good, 2/3 isn't and i really wished they stopped after the works-tour (everythin' was said musically). But elp defined prog in the early 70's in a time when prog was still in a embryo state and therefore they have a kind of innocent sound imo which i like. In short: elp is just a fun band!
favorite moments: aquatarkus live-version, the barbarian, c'est la vie, from the beginning, drumsolo from welcome back my friends, hoedown welcome back version, jerusalem, karn evil 9, piano concerto no.1 third movement, take a pebble, the endless enigma, the three fates, toccata, lucky man, the great gates of kiev with the orchestra, benny the bouncer (which other band would record somethin' like this? then or now...)
5 star albums: brain salad surgery, debut
4 star albums: pictures, trilogy, welcome back, works vol.1
3 star albums: tarkus (production isn't that good imo, and the tarkus version on welcome back is soo much better), black moon, elpowell
2 star: works vol.2, albert hall
1 star: love bitch, works live
0 stars: toilet seat
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 22:49
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Pretty much how I'd do it, except I'd move Works I and Pictures both down to 3 stars. The best stuff on ELPowell is better than the best stuff on Black Moon, too. 3.5 to ELPowell.
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 02:04
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I agree with Jeremy Bender, that they were unique, and took their own way without compromise.
The heart and soul of ELP is Keith, who worked on stage and in studio much more then Lake and Palmer. I like all their albums (until Works), but I don't agree with Jeremy on Tarkus. It s with ELP and Brain salad my favorite. Ladies and gentleman is great live album. I have 3 DVD's (Masters from vaults, Pictures at an exhibition and Royall albert hall). For me they were best on the beginning (not as old wine), when they had tons of passion and energy. My ratings would be: ELP ***** Tarkus**** Pictures **** Trilogy ***1/2 Brain salad surgery ****1/2 Ladies and gentleman **** Works 1,2 ***1/2 |
Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:18
Nothing wrong with that I suppose...I think "Mermoirs" is actually pretty decent. People just love being able to say "Love Beach sucks" so they enjoy putting down a one star. Cmon, its not THAT bad. In the hot seat has a good version of "Pictures" but Lakes voice has gone down the toilet. The rest of it just blows. |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:53
I don't love it to say love bitch sucks (maybe a little
), but sorry i can't give it more than 1 star, why should I, it's a terrible concept (songs about love on a beach and all that pfff....), cheesy lyrics, cheesy synth sounds ( but i like palmer's playing and sound on that album very much, he plays very, very good on that record (and the drums sound great, a nice dry sound); tight and very groovy in places, wel that's something rare because palmer is everything BUT a groover).Sorry but the studio-version of pictures on 'iths' is crap, it's lacks all the energy of the live-album with the same name, palmer plays boring, emerson has some terrible sounds, and lake well... it has a good sound quality that's for sure(dolby surround) but boring playing from all three (if lake had a good voice on 'the sage' it'd have saved something, pity).
ELP is my all-time favorite band but they made some 1st class CRAP, i'm not deaf.....and certainly not a fanboy who has the need to defend all their material, if it sucks it sucks (of course to my ears and this is only my opinion, if someone likes love bitch fine, good for him/her).
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 02:24
Love Beach has to be a 2 star album (for fans and collectors only).It could have been a decent pop/prog album if someone like Brian Lane had handled the production of it.I actually prefer it to the ELPowell album anyway
The worst ELP is of course ITHS which is the only ELP album that deserves 1 star and is not really of interest even to ELP fans!
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 11:54
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i do prefer "Black Moon" before "Love Beach", which is a bit shallow and tired to my ears. ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 12:16
| Love Beach is weak by any stretch, but I agree it's not 1 star material. I gave it 2 stars because I think Canario was excellent and just about salvaged the album. |
Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 12:43
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I also think that Love Beach is 2 star worth at least! The Canario and the Officer suite almost save the album.
Black Moon is great in its own right.
It´s a real pity that Hot Seat chashed the band´s carrer in terms of studio albuns...
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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 01:11
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I can remember playing "air keyboards" to the live version of Aquatarkus, and nearly all of BSS, Pictures and Trilogy. What incredible compositions and performances Truly an innovative band. While Yes, Genesis, and others, sounded like rock bands experimenting with some classical aspirations, I always got the impression that Keith Emerson was already a master of the art form, like he finished his experiments long before publishing music, and only made us listen to the experiments that worked. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 04:56
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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 12:26
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Im a fan of ELP, I really love this band and its one of my favourites.
my favourite cds from them are: Tarkus, Trilogy and Emerson Lake and Palmer. ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 18:42
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:07
Hi Richard, How you doing? I see you are still defending ELP. Am I the only one that actually liked those Works sessions or what? Even Palmer called them :"dodgy" at best. He's always been a little miffed at all the money they lost. But Emerson stands by all of his work with ELP; he doesn't have that Asia money to keep him going in his old age. Palmer recently said he think ELP had one great album still in them, if they can put their differences aside. Maybe after the Asia tour. An important thing to remember is that Emerson, assisted by Lord and Edgar Winter, among other is respobnsible for bring the keyboard to the forefront of the modern rock movement. . His influence really resonated in the Arena rock and hard rock bands that followed with their over the top production , and metal with its blaring 200+ sixteenth notes. Kids love that stuff. No matter what I do my students always are wowed by my speed. You get that eye sticking out of the head phenomena not unlike Looney Tunes. If they knew how easy that was. In the video Back to the Beginning one of their tour managers said that ELP actually were influential on Queen. When I told, not unlike ELP was the only band that could get away with doing a Dixieland or Dance Hall inspired tune and of course have a hit with it, he understood what this guy meant. They are both operatic in their excess, and to me that what rock and roll is all about. If it gets to serious, I'll just listen to Bartok. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:49
Very well Ken.Thanks for asking
Yourself?The Queen/ELP connection isn't that surprising.Neither band was very good at recognising its own limits!
A little bit of trivia but I remember reading that Brian May was going to record a guitar part for a reworking of the old Nice track Intermezzo.I don't know what happened to it or whether they ever went into the studio to do it.Brian May and Keith Emerson would make an interesting combination and would probably be well suited musically.
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 20:46
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I am doing well. thank you. I hate to say this, but . . . I bought the first Nice album on CD. It has the mono version of Azraela. First time I heard it with a guitar. I always liked that tune; but with the guitar I love it. The guitar fills in the hole by playing the riff. I think ELP could have benefitted from a guitar. . . not that they needed one, not that they did not have one . It would have changed everything though, including history. May and Emerson, though. you are right, I think that would be Nice. Who would play the anthems? Is in the Crap Seat really that bad? I saw all of the 1990s tours but never bought any of the crappy albums. You can "Love Beach" me but once. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:05
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as an aside for the ELP fans.. was going to do it tonight but got caught up in other pressing matters hahahha will be adding Carl Palmer to the database in the coming days.. Richard - Raff passed on the discography info to me.. thanks! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:15
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I love ELP. They may be bombastic and show off way too much (well, mostly Emerson shows off too much), but the music is still great. There is better songwriting than what people give them credit for. I just have one huge gripe about them: all their albums have weak filler. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:19
maybe I'm a fanboy but that whole filler thing never washed with me. It was plainly obvious if you read up a bit on them that some tracks that are commenly trashed as 'filler' were done with the express intent to 'lighten' the mood of the albums. If you want to be beat over the head for 40 minutes nonstop with Tarkus like intensity.. you are a better man than me ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |