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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2006 at 13:22
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

You're right, Iván... Smile
 
Due to the amount of reviews and lack of time, Bob and I go generally to the top of the Chart where the attempts of manipulation occur all the time. I can assure you (and others that come here) that the manipulation trend at the the top of the Chart (involving those acronyms you mentioned Big smile) is an everyday issue. I really wonder if the quantity of energy those manipulators waste should be better used!
 
Amazing to know it's an everyday issue, don't this people have something better to do???? How many ratings they need to alter one place being that ratings alone have a smaller weight among 400 or  500 reviews?
 
I'm a Genesis fan over Yes by large but honestly  feel more comfortable with CTTE or DSOTM than with SEBTP as a top album, but at the end who cares, I will love Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme, Hybris or Gothic Impressions over most of the usual suspects just the same.
 
Hybris for example could be a top 5 easily, my opinion about it and even less the real quality won't change if ANGLAGARD are not in the top ten.
 
I'm used to read charts since the 70's and rarely have seen a Prog album mentioned (Most of the times found Bee Gees, Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc) so why should it be different now if one masterpiece and not another is in the top?
 
Some people need to grow.
 
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The algorhythm difference among the Top 10 is very close and a half dozen of wannabe manipulators may do the damage, unless we notice it.
 
I believe that these "attacks" come from website fanboyish clubs, be them from Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Tull, etc. They (the attackers) may simply combine and do their raids in a certain day or a couple of days. Some of them, knowing PA rules, write some lines hoping their reviews may count as "valids" and have a greater weight. Sad enough!Confused
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Points: 19552 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2006 at 13:33
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

 
The algorhythm difference among the Top 10 is very close and a half dozen of wannabe manipulators may do the damage, unless we notice it.
 
Being it so close you have a hard job guys, I respect that a lot.
 
I believe that these "attacks" come from website fanboyish clubs, be them from Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Tull, etc. They (the attackers) may simply combine and do their raids in a certain day or a couple of days. Some of them, knowing PA rules, write some lines hoping their reviews may count as "valids" and have a greater weight. Sad enough!Confused
 
A paramilitar fanclub organization creating raids to manipulate information.
 
Holy sh!t, that's pretty scary. LOL This guys need to get a life, no wonder why people consider Prog fans nerds.
 
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Ratings without reviews are a perennial issue. However, M@x is adamant that they must continue to be allowed, so that the site is accessible to all. He did however agree to the compromise arrangement where the value of such ratings is less than those of ratings with reviews. This lead to a slight increase in reviews which said nothing ("this albums brilliant, is that 50 words yet?"), but Guigo and I are watching for those too.
 
Perhaps we be able to get M@x to devalue further the influence of ratings without reviews in the future.
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Ratings without reviews are a perennial issue. However, M@x is adamant that they must continue to be allowed, so that the site is accessible to all. He did however agree to the compromise arrangement where the value of such ratings is less than those of ratings with reviews. This lead to a slight increase in reviews which said nothing ("this albums brilliant, is that 50 words yet?"), but Guigo and I are watching for those too.
 
Perhaps we be able to get M@x to devalue further the influence of ratings without reviews in the future.
 
You do know how I feel about that don't youSmile
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How come?! PoS Perfect Element managed to jump from 44 to 28 in one month period: 05.10.2006 it has 120 votes with 4,43 rtg and now there's 124 with 4,50.
If it'a a simple calculation, those four voters had to vote giving 6,6 average rtg Wacko
Is it OK?
The same for BMS Darwin!: 05.10.2006 it has 81 votes with 4,35 rtg and now there's 82 with 4,42. One voter had to give 10,1 rtg Shocked. And jumped 17 places up.
Also strange things with PoS Remedy Lane, Deep Purple Made in Japan. And especially with DT Live at Budokan: the same number of voters (76), but rating has changed from 4,39 to 4,35 which eventually thrown them down by 17 places.
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Points: 7113 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2006 at 04:09
So you're saying that I could review EVERYTHING ELSE with one star in an attempt to get Under Wraps to the number one slot, eh? Hmm...
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Originally posted by Toccata Toccata wrote:

How come?! PoS Perfect Element managed to jump from 44 to 28 in one month period: 05.10.2006 it has 120 votes with 4,43 rtg and now there's 124 with 4,50.
If it'a a simple calculation, those four voters had to vote giving 6,6 average rtg Wacko
Is it OK?
The same for BMS Darwin!: 05.10.2006 it has 81 votes with 4,35 rtg and now there's 82 with 4,42. One voter had to give 10,1 rtg Shocked. And jumped 17 places up.
Also strange things with PoS Remedy Lane, Deep Purple Made in Japan. And especially with DT Live at Budokan: the same number of voters (76), but rating has changed from 4,39 to 4,35 which eventually thrown them down by 17 places.
 
There are different weights for "ratings with reviews" and "ratings without reviews". Also, PA Collabs reviews have a greater weight. The issue cannot be solved by simple arythmetics!
 
Anyway, the algorythm used may have a flaw or a bug.  
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Points: 35 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:54
Ok here it goes (correct me if I'm wrong concerning the weights)...

AGALLOCH "Pale Folklore" reviews (I took a simple example)

Collaborators Reviews (weight = 3)
5* (1)
3* (1)

Guests Reviews (weight = 2)
5* (1)

Ratings Without Reviews (weight = 1)
5* (3)
4* (1)
2* (1)

Total = (5+3)*3 + 5*2 + (3*5+4+2)*1 = 55
Weighted votes = 2*3 + 1*2 + 5*1 = 13

Average rating = 55/13 = 4.23
Rating from PA = 4.33

Note that I calculated the same way the average for "The Mantle" and in that case it's the same as the one given by PA (4.39)... so where's the flaw?
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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2006 at 13:09
Noted, zaxx... anyway, all this stuff will be checked/revised in early 2007. Smile
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2007 at 17:21
Perhaps we should give ratings with more words more credit...
 
So that my Tago Mago review (11 pages, double spaced) will push it back up to first place in Krautrock, where it belongs...Wink
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Points: 1655 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2007 at 18:15
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so now quantity comes before quality

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j/k mate, it's an excellent analysis
back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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