Is closing threads a good solution ...

... if people invade the threads, posting abusive, insulting and off-topic comments? I mean, by closing the thread the ultimate goal is reached: destroying the discussion.

The closing of the prog metal categories thread is what made me ask this question ... maybe we can come up with a better solution for such problems. I don't mean to criticise the admins - they have to do *something*.

Jimbo wrote: It's a valid question, definitely. I personally think the abusive comments should just be deleted, so that the conversation can continue peacefully.

I'm up for deleting the riot-pulse-message and keeping the thread on-going. Practically we should prevent the case of a "rough message", as well as the ones that react to that message. Otherwise, the rest should be left and continued.

In the case of the Metal-genre thread, I believe what's been said before phillipe's intervention (than the afterwards reactions) could continue.

(off-subject: Trickster: Dostoievski-avatar, nice! )

I think you're proceeding alert and great every time, Raffaella; just making a suggestion of a different way.

Ghost Rider wrote: OK, guys, as this discussion seems to be aimed at me mainly... 1. Please re-read what I wrote before locking the thread, and you'll see that I am speaking of a temporary closure; 2. I or the others report the fact to the other Admins, so that a common decision can be reached; 3. it does not seem very correct to me doing such a thing as opening a thread to discuss my decisions (or those of anybody else) in the public forum, when there is a Collabs section or PMs to be used for this purpose. Just my two cents, as always... Edit: I posted this before Rico posted his own message. Please, re-read the discussion, and see that I would've had to delete half of it... Is this what you really want?

This is not about you Ghost Rider. I've been thinking about this subject long before you became an admin. Your actions (which were completely acceptable, BTW) may have prompted the creation of this thread, but I'm talking about the situation in general.

oliverstoned wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ... if people invade the threads, posting abusive, insulting and off-topic comments? I mean, by closing the thread the ultimate goal is reached: destroying the discussion.The closing of the prog metal categories thread is what made me ask this question ... maybe we can come up with a better solution for such problems. I don't mean to criticise the admins - they have to do *something*.      Our goal was not to destroy the discussion (we don't care about it) but to protest about something that we consider abusive: including non-prog bands into a site which is said to be dedicated to progressive music.

Olivier, you chose to ignore what I wrote in that thread before I closed it, so I'll repeat it here, loud and clear: this is not the way to protest. If you have something against the inclusion of such bands, you have all the right to open a thread and express what you feel - but in different terms from the ones you and Philippe used. As long as you or anybody else feels that is the way to go about things, the Mods will have no choice but close the discussions or delete the posts altogether.


Edited by Ghost Rider - September 10 2006 at 07:28

I can open a thread if you want, but i don't see where's
the problem considering that i'm not agressive or
offensive and that i'm quietly exposing my arguments.
    

Edited by oliverstoned - September 10 2006 at 07:34

Ghost Rider, It's so funny how you debate on forms...can you please argue about the content and the crucial problematic which concerns the credibility of the site (I'm not speaking about the forum, this place is just amusement). Look at the prog metal subgenre and assume that things go to fare…If I will speak to the owners about it, I’m sure I will have a correct answer. I will expose my arguments in French so this discussion will remain private.

 

As I said to someone else I can pass about some metal bands but many inclusions are really abusive and senseless. I think that this kind of totally free and uncontrolled policy about additions can ruin the reputation of the site. We privilege quantity rather than quality, most of time, expanding ourselves in non-coherent directions. We must refer to the “content” guideline; I’ve worked for it since years.

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i wonder where this beutiful, kind, formal language was before when you were calling me "pighead"...

i think anybody should be able to express their views here without the fear of interference from mods, there is nothing wrong with healthy heated discussion as long as no one is insulted, knowingly or unknowingly - under those circumstances the offenders should be warned publicly and made to apologise, without embarrassment to the thread starter by having his/her thread "locked", we are supposed to be grown adults not naughty children.  A cause of many heated comments and arguments on PA seem to revolve around band submissions - i humbly suggest PA has a "glass door"  policy on  band submissions so everyone knows WHY this band or that have been included or declined, and less of a "secret society" masonic policy on such inclusion deliberations.