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spacecraft 
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 Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:25 |
And where are they???????????????????????????
Muy point is, you can't say you have copied(pirated) software, but your forum gets closed down, because some moderator gets all anal. But, you can say you have taken/taking drugs? WHAT THE f**k IS THE DIFFERENCE.......I WANT TO KNOW.
Edited by spacecraft - August 25 2006 at 19:41
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Dreamer
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:16 |
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Oh I see... there's nothing wrong with talkinga bout it though, is there? As long as we're not doing drugs and sending music files, its alright. Nothing's illegal about a nice discussion. The act would be considered illegal. But really, I have no authority in this site, I wouldnt argue. Let the moderators do as they see just.
Edited by Dreamer - August 25 2006 at 19:17
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spacecraft
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:11 |
You obviously miss the point...both are illegal....so why is this still going????????
Then there is nothing wrong in piracy.
Edited by spacecraft - August 25 2006 at 19:12
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Dreamer
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:08 |
The site is about music, I belive, so it doesnt want to support piracy.
What does that have to do with the discussion we are having? Why get rid of it? This is helpful, not damaging for people who are interested in the topic. There's nothing wrong as far as i can see...
Edited by Dreamer - August 25 2006 at 19:09
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spacecraft
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:05 |
Why is it alright to say you have taken drugs (illegal in all 1st world countries), and not have your torrent shut down....but mention piracy??????
Double standards are being applied i do believe, or is it ok to fill dealers pockets with illegal pennies, but not take the same from huge money laden Music companies?
How many people have died, from drug money?
How many people have died because of pirating?
Time to get rid of this forum, if there are standards on this site.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:50 |
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Not everything is psychologically addictive - but, not speaking as any kind of expert, I'd suppose anything could be.
I think it depends what you get out of it - if it's something good, then you want to go back for some more. The nicer it is, etc.
It is known that marijuana and other plants like mushrooms, cacti, datura, coca etc. have been used in rituals for thousands of years - long before the Renaissance!
Edited by Certif1ed - August 25 2006 at 17:51
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 14:42 |
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Laudanum is an alcoholic opium tincture to be precise.
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maani
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 14:20 |
darksinger:
True. We forget that before the advent of marijuana, there were plenty of drugs being used by the aristocracy and the artistic community, among them cocaine solution (which was added to drinks), laudanum (a derivative of the heroin poppy, I believe), morphine and opium itself. There were also "tinctures" of various plants and such that had a variety of effects: stimulant, depressant, hallucinatory, etc.
So the use of "drugs" to create "altered states of consciousness" - whether mild or more - has been around since at least the Renaissance.
Peace.
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darksinger
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 13:31 |
 Dreamer wrote:
I was going to tell Freddy off, but I see Maani and everyone else did that well enough.
Just a few things that disturb me (or maybe I just don't get) is that they say weed is a "gateway drug" - a dumb expression in my opinion. True almost all junkies smoked weed before doing shrooms, then acid, heroin or whatever, but aren't people forgetting they drank alcohol, smoked cigs, drank coffee, rotted thier brains infront of the telly before going to smoke weed? Why aren't this things blamed?
Also I don't understand how it's addictive, maybe someone can tell me if I'm missing something... Physically it's proven to be not addictive, but "psychologically" it's apprently a real bummer to get out of. But isn't anything enjoyable psychologically addictive? People who enjoy computer games, television, sex etc. can also be said to be psychologically addicted. From personal experience, I was a rather heavy user (relatively, for my own standard), and one night when I was high, I reached the decision not to smoke anymore. I made myself undersdand and feel that it would be right to stop, and so I didn't touch it for the next half a year almost. No problem. Is that only me? I'm sure it happened to others...
The point fred made about music and drugs made me think of the quote by a famous comedian : "If you have something against drugs, take all your CD's and albums and burn them, cause all the artists who made that great music that has enhanced your life so much were all reaaaaal  high" |
Or, for that matter, alot of masterpiece artwork and great novels were created by people who were as toasted as a quizno's sub...
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Dreamer
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 12:43 |
I was going to tell Freddy off, but I see Maani and everyone else did that well enough.
Just a few things that disturb me (or maybe I just don't get) is that they say weed is a "gateway drug" - a dumb expression in my opinion. True almost all junkies smoked weed before doing shrooms, then acid, heroin or whatever, but aren't people forgetting they drank alcohol, smoked cigs, drank coffee, rotted thier brains infront of the telly before going to smoke weed? Why aren't this things blamed?
Also I don't understand how it's addictive, maybe someone can tell me if I'm missing something... Physically it's proven to be not addictive, but "psychologically" it's apprently a real bummer to get out of. But isn't anything enjoyable psychologically addictive? People who enjoy computer games, television, sex etc. can also be said to be psychologically addicted. From personal experience, I was a rather heavy user (relatively, for my own standard), and one night when I was high, I reached the decision not to smoke anymore. I made myself undersdand and feel that it would be right to stop, and so I didn't touch it for the next half a year almost. No problem. Is that only me? I'm sure it happened to others...
The point fred made about music and drugs made me think of the quote by a famous comedian : "If you have something against drugs, take all your CD's and albums and burn them, cause all the artists who made that great music that has enhanced your life so much were all reaaaaal high"
Edited by Dreamer - August 25 2006 at 12:44
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Eddy
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 21:05 |
HAHAHAH thats halarious!
i used to be a complete druggy, doing way too much weed and drinking till passing out.every day. I have grown up and am tired of such endevers. I still do these time to time, but my life is not ruled by them like it was the last 2 years of highschool. i have not don acid, nor do i feel like doing it, right now :). I have experimented with schrooms and salvia, and i tell you now, hallucigens are fun! And peaceful! i remmeber foundly believing that i was in the middle of an ocean, swimming with the fishes.!! but i also remember a time when i got a bad bacth, and iFLIPPed out and was brought to a hospital becasue my friend were so worried about me. thats when i stopped being a crazy addict. You much watch yourself carfully with drugs, they can sneak up on you and rule and ruin your life. with hallucigens,always make sure you get it from a reliable person. and always make sure you do it with friends who care about you, so you can be tasken care of. drugs are fun, but there are risks. BUT YOU GET F*CKED UP YEAH! 
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 15:57 |
maani wrote:
Oliver:
You forgot to mention another use of marijuana hemp before it was banned: American flags! Yup, most American flags made in the first hundred years or so were made from hemp. [N.B. If this were still true, would people be less inclined to burn flags - i.e., to honor the hemp - or more inclined, since breathing the fumes might give you a buzz! LOL.]
Also, you forgot to mention that Coca-Cola contained almost 5% cocaine even into the 1940s.
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Haha Absolutly!
Yes, and before Coca-cola, we invented the "Mariani wine" from the name of its creator!
Coca cola has been inspired by it:
Edited by oliverstoned - August 24 2006 at 15:59
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Philéas
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 15:24 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
In my opinion tobacco is worst sh*t on the
western wolrdes markets today. Users get a serious addiction
which can be compared to addiction of hard drugs, and they wont
even start to see goblins or get a hardon as a reward of using.  It's
the great conspiracy of industry leaders, people spend
uncomprhendable amounts of money to it, they stay able to work as they
are not stoned, and the users die to cancer just as they are about to
reach the pension. Quit today, and watch Michel Mann's
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 14:19 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Interestingly, one of nature's other gifts is tobacco.  |
In my opinion tobacco is worst sh*t on the western wolrdes markets today. Users get a serious addiction which can be compared to addiction of hard drugs, and they wont even start to see goblins or get a hardon as a reward of using. It's the great conspiracy of industry leaders, people spend uncomprhendable amounts of money to it, they stay able to work as they are not stoned, and the users die to cancer just as they are about to reach the pension. Quit today, and watch Michel Mann's "Insider".
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 14:11 |
Tristan Mulders wrote:
Of course alcohol is a drug too, but I think there's a major difference between taking hallucinating drugs/toxics or a drink. 
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There's no difference AT ALL.A drug is a drug.
Alcohol is the worst drug on this planet,alcoholism is rampant in my family and my family has been torn apart because of it.
That is why I have never touched the stuff in my entire life,I hate it,and was always determined to break the cycle(I do believe alcoholism is a disease,and it is genetic).I do worry about my kids though,but my daughter is almost 16 and has no interest in it,which is a relief.
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Tony R
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 12:54 |
Apparently there was no Cocaine in Coca-Cola after 1929 and only one part on 400 in the syrup after 1902.
With all due respect one hopes that other information presented as "fact" by assorted posters here is indeed fact and not merely hazy recollections....
Edited by Tony R - August 24 2006 at 12:58
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maani
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 12:50 |
Oliver:
You forgot to mention another use of marijuana hemp before it was banned: American flags! Yup, most American flags made in the first hundred years or so were made from hemp. [N.B. If this were still true, would people be less inclined to burn flags - i.e., to honor the hemp - or more inclined, since breathing the fumes might give you a buzz! LOL.]
Also, you forgot to mention that Coca-Cola contained almost 5% cocaine even into the 1940s.
Peace.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 10:35 |
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Oh and BTW, before USA invented the propaganda against pot to serve some lobbies, it was freely available under several forms, along with opium tincture (hence the excellent De quincey book "Confessions of an english opium eater").
In France at the beggining of the century, poppies and cannabis preparations were freely available in Pharmacy,
(so medicinal properties of Cannabis were of course already known) and pre-rolled imported Hash joints were sold in cafes like cigarettes, under the name "Strong tobacco". It has been eventually removed from the market because of...lack of commercial success!!
That would not be the case today!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 10:27 |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 24 2006 at 09:51 |
oliverstoned wrote:
That's a scandal that they forbid nature's gift.
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It's a bit like forbidding hurricanes, volcanoes or tsunamis. Nature can be terribly destructive sometimes, but there's nothing we can do when she gets going - and we can't blame her for doing her job.
You and Maani are absolutely right that cannabis does not cause schizophrenia - but it does exacerbate it where it exists.
The big problem is that schizophrenia can set in as early as late teens or early 20s, a time that many people begin to experiment with drugs. The person concerned may not even know that he or she is susceptible to the condition, and not know what is happening to them. Equally, this could apply to many other mental conditions - or you could just be one of the lucky ones that is not predisposed to such things.
But you may never know until you take drugs - and if you had not taken them, it's remotely possible that the condition would not have taken such a strong hold.
Interestingly, one of nature's other gifts is tobacco.
Edited by Certif1ed - August 24 2006 at 09:56
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