LSD and PA members?
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Topic: LSD and PA members?
Posted By: Borealis
Subject: LSD and PA members?
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 17:36
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I'm curious to know if some people here actually have tried (or been user) of LSD here, and I'd like to know what they think of it or so. And for those who haven't, what do you think of it? Would you try if you'd get the opportunity?
We are on an open minded very international disscussion board with a high diversity of age in the members, and it's the overall subject is prog music (mainly 70's music). So I think the odds are we might get a couple of answers... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 17:38
Nope. I got incredibly paranoid when I did pot so I might kill myself doing LSD.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 17:41
I hate drugs in any variation possible... except drinks 
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 17:43
So what are you doing on a forum?  -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Tristan Mulders wrote:Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 17:53
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never did it, but i'm sure it seems like it ------------- 
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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:00
| I used to do it about once or twice a year. I've had wonderful experiences on it, and also the worst day of my life, when I had a bad trip and was certain I would die if I closed my eyes. I haven't done it now in about 6 years and don't really miss it. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:01
I can relate to this, I´m scared of losing control. I had a phase of smoking pot but only used it to listen to music (on my own)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:05
Nope, I like to keep control over myself andof course value my neurones too much, already drowned a lot in alcohol. 
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:06
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HELLLLLLL NO. stuck with pot.. .and even that left my mental capabilites severely diminished... my world is wild and chaotic enough without having visions of Neil Peart coming out the walls to scold me for flaming his lyrical abilities.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:07
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The only things in my life I ever did besides pot was hallucinogenics.I did acid and some shrooms as a teenager but couldn't imagine it now. -------------  |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:09
| I prefer PA members, thank you. |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:09
Now bash DT and your duty is complete -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:09
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i'm not saying it was not tempting-i am a substitute teacher and sometimes, the urge to do acid hits you...especially after the lunch periods... -------------
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:11
I have not tried it, just pot
I'll probably try it in great setting
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:12
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:26
damnit.... the difference between a great comedian and one who pretends to be, is finishing strong... should have had the twin monsters of Petrucci AND Peart .. damn that had Home Run written all over it and I just hit it off the end of the bat... oh well my life story I guess hahah... good call Mr. Velveteer.. nice to see they let you out once in awhile ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:29
I'm not always in the VR. I even start topics sometimes  But yeah, I'm often in the VR -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 18:44
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The only hallucinogen i took was by accident.
One day in 1999 was driving to a town called Cerro de Pasco (Very very high in the Andes) and unusually I felt nausea, headahe and total discomfort a classical altitude sickness, strange because it was the first time in ly life.
So I stopped in a small (and very dirty) restaurant where all the truckes stopped toe eat.
I asked the old woiman for some dramamine (It's sold everywhere) but she said she had a hot drink that was better, so what the hell, I asked for a clean glass and tried it.
The effect was inmediate, no more altitude sickness but about ten Kms beyond I had to stop because I was feeling funny, seing lights comming from the other side of the road,. a dry tongue, a bit of paranoia (felt like somebody was following me), etc.
I made an effort and reached the city went made my work and the effect was over after an hour.
After four days I passed again by the same restaurant and asked the old woman what in the hell she had given me, she said it was hot tea, Pisco (Grape liquor very strong) with lemon and some very hot Ayahuasca which is a very powerfull psycotropic, the lady said that she saw me with a green color so she putted double amount instead of the normal.
Almost killed her, it was frightening.
She boasted that her special tea was the reason why so many truckers stopped oin her restaurant instead of others, now I understand why so many truckers crash every day.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:08
does she have a website/do internet orders.... I LOVE tea...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:18
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Never have, never will, not interested.
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:23
I never consumed drugs neither LSD and don't plan to !!
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:25
So, he kicked you ? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:53
It's a freaking hut Micky just in the middle of nowhere, the terrible thing is that you can't even go to te police to inform about that thing which is dangerous for drivers, because the Highway Policemen stop there also to take her special tea during night watchs.
Long time ago another hut in the north highway (Long desertic road) was closed because they served coffee with amphetamines for the bus drivers, until one had a heart attack and they fell from a cliff.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 19:59
hahaha... I shoiud have known as much when you said you had to specifically ask for a clean cup
Oh Ivan you had me double over in laughter... of all the
people .... shame you didn't get some great visions of
slipperyman or something... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 20:08
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Never tried. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 21:29
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Never tried it, and I really could not see myself trying it.
The most I would ever do is pot, but hey....can't say what you will/won't do in the future. Especially with college ahead...
but nah....no LSD for me thanks.
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 21:43
It's been about 15 years since my last experience and I enjoyed the times I tripped, But I couldn't see myself doing it anymore, The last time was in Vegas and that enough for me. I did shrooms about 8 years ago and had a completely bloody awful time,  So it would be safe to assume I'll never do that again either. Today I only drink beer.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 21:45
Trippin in Vegas.....I bet you THAT was something else. All that neon would have freaked me out.....talk about trails!!!!!!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 22:04
Looking back on it, it was a really bad idea. I'm no Hunter S. Thompson. ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 22:05
Hopefully Fah Zi doesn't read this... ------------- 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 22:17
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^ Yea
I never had a bad trip, interesting!
 Yea, but I'm probably not going to do it again, because my chances are not good.
If I want to drugs, I'll probably smoke some weed.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 22:40
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I had some pot brownies on accident at a party once. That's about it. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 00:31
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Never did any drugs, don't have any intent to, but one quick question: is pot hallucigenic in its purest form? I was talking to someone...erm...experienced who said it wasn't (not that I want to try it or anything, I'm trying to stay clear of any drugs, even alcohol, only stuff I'll touch is caffeine...hehehe) ------------- 
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 01:20
| Been there, done that, lost the T-shirt. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 01:26
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I've always had the curiosity (specially when listening to krautrock, psych and stuff like that), but I've never done it and everytime I think about it its always 35% do it and 65% don't. ------------- 
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Posted By: the man machine
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 06:41
| i dont think i will ever try it , i like to be under control , i do love getting baked about once a week though because most of the time i feel under control. cannabis isnt usually halucinagenic |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 08:48
I post messages... that's all... that's really all ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 08:49
Out of the blue I get this urge to watch the film "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" right now ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 10:18
that doesn't mean anything-it may be a hut, but she might have wifi... -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 15:14
Actually, my friend and I did recreate the carousel bar experience from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." I have done halucinogens many times in the past. The effect is temporary, and so are any insights you might gain. If the mind is freed naturally, the insights stay with you. By the way, alchohol is a drug too. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 15:35
I think thats one of the reasons why I fear doing psychedelics now, I don't like the feeling of not being in control. Even herb has some negative effects on me now, makes me paranoid and I can't handle paranoia. I'm well past my frat boy beer drinking days so I only drink beer because I really enjoy the taste of a good beer, I don't drink to get drunk. Nothing is worse than a hangover. Here's a question for those that have indulged in psychedelics, When listening to music do you ever have a flash or flashback? for example I listen to psychedelic music with lots of fuzzed out guitar, Whenever I hear that fuzzed out guitar tone I have a quick flash. Not the kind of flashback where you go crazy and jump out of windows, but just a quick flash of memory of being on a trip. ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 16:40
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I dont need drugs, Im 100% natural
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 18:36
I listened to the Atom Heart Mother Suite on shrooms once. God, that song never seemed so long and exciting in my entire life. When I listen to the song now, I remember what I was thinking during the trip, but I have not regained that feeling yet.
I have only done shrooms a few times, (Cubensis), and I like them enough to do them again, in moderation!
I do plan on trying LSD once, once I've moved out and have nothing in life that can possibly make me have a bad trip. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 03:53
| I'm considering trying it. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 05:30
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Used it a lot in the early 90's. Excellent drug, until you have a bad trip, after that it never feels the same again. Took my last one about ten years ago.
Advice to anyone considering it. Dont bother. I suffered bad depression as a result my lifestyle at the time, and LSD was a big factor in that. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 05:38
I made many mush trips on Ummagumma studio album -among others- and it was awesome. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 05:39
I experimented some flashbacks following a (strong) LSA trip. |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 05:40
Of course alcohol is a drug too, but I think there's a major difference between taking hallucinating drugs/toxics or a drink. 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 05:40
Why bother? Saves you some money and no chance your health gets down because of it? ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 10:13
a suggestion from a former member of the Cosmic Cowboys............no need to, just listen to the psychotic babblings from your favorite prog artists and be glad your not as confused. remember it is an inticing doorway that is not pretty in the end. besides you are more likely to run into strycnine laced or bathtub products that cause more damage than enhancement today or have a meeting with a bunch of black robes that want you to fall in the hole with them.
you can find enough trouble in alcohol and or weed and or sexuality these days. better just to talk about the past in good terms, there is also much sorrow that is not mentioned often.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 10:15
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rain is falling, mushrooms are coming... Eh Mush, will you mush my room? |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 10:17
Just say KNOW! |
Posted By: man@arms
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 11:21
| I'm mainly a pot-head and beer drinker, but I have dropped acid several times (and loved it) and have taken ecstasy (also loved). I used to be open to trying almost anything, but work and family have gotten in the way of that. Now it's just pot and only when the funds allow. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 11:29
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The Flesh of gods is free...you just have to pick it. |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 11:38
Ecstasy??  I'm high on life while sober, so I really don't need drugs. Beside, I would never consider doing anything more "hardcore" than weed (which isn't bad anyway)  -------------
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 11:54
 Sound advice. A friend of mine suffered a breakdown after tripping almost daily for several months (though I'm pleased to say he made a full recovery) and I've been with a few people who were having bad trips - not funny at all ... my only 'bad trip' was an ecstasy pill that went horribly wrong, not a experience I wish to repeat. If you do experiment with the stuff, remember that you never know how strong it is until it's in your system, and once it's in there you'll be under the influence for 8 - 12 hours and experiencing the after effects for 2 - 3 days. A bad trip can take days to get over if you're lucky.I have taken acid, the last time about 10 years ago, and I had some interesting times on it. To clear up a common misconception: although you do experience some visual effects - I've seen walls 'breathing', rainbows emerging from teacups, spinning discs on the walls, moving objects leaving traces behind them in the air, auras around people and objects - neither I nor anybody I know has ever had the kind of "Then I saw John Wayne in a pink bikini playing the piano on an elephant's back in my fridge" hallucination that some people seem to expect. The visuals tended to occur early on in the trip, following which I achieved a deep understanding of the appleness of an apple, the patterns in the carpet or (on one memorable occasion) Picasso and Braque's synthetic cubism from about 1912 - 14, for instance the famous portrait of Ambrose Voillard. I didn't find that it did much for my perception of music - weed and shrooms are for more effective for me - but it did for some of my friends. I also couldn't watch TV while tripping - I was too aware of the flickering image - and I became very sensitive to light and to sudden changes in temperature.
For the benefit of any Beatles fans, Lucy In The Sky isn't a very good musical evocation of a trip, but She Said, Rain and Strawberry Fields capture the experience to a T. For Floyd Fans, most of Syd's songs on Piper give a good idea of what a trip can be like, particularly Scarecrow and Matilda Mother, but Syd's solo work shows what the after effects can be like. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 11:59
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Yes, geometric figures and hallucinations are just the iceberg's visible part. The real trip is beyong words. "Excellent drug, until you have a bad trip, after that it never feels the same again." That's very true. It's like your astral body is altered and the fear will come back everytime you'll do a trip again. That's why you must feel good when you do it. Mushrooms are less dangerous (and less potent), however. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 18:21
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I've been told that Shroom trips are shorter than Acid's. Is it true?
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 19:16
PM KingofLoss. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 20:13
Yes, thankfully. That's one of the bad things about acid IMO, that it lasts so long that you get so mentally (and physically) drained. |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 23:07
My next shroom trip, I will experiment past the happy Yes songs, and into the more dangerous teritorry, like Ummagumma. I would never even think of tripping on LSD to Pink Floyd, their stuff is scary enough on shrooms. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 04:06
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Actually, my friends i and were feeling really secure on Ummaguma (studio album), like we were back to the foetal state (that's a classic case of intra uterine regression). |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 12:19
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43 times from October 1990 to January 1993 ... one of the great loves of my life ... but coincidentally overlaps neatly with that time I dropped out of college
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 14:29
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I have considered it, but I haven't yet done anything else than weed.
I'm not entirely sure if I'm going to try LSD, considering the many
dangers of it. After reading through this topic, mushrooms seem to be a
better alternative. Regarding stimulants, I won't mess about with anything worse than caffeine. A friend of mine did coke though. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 16:33
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I think everyone should, I'd even says need, to do mushroom once in their life. The first time is special, you come to a mental state that is unique are unbelievable. The good part isn't the hallucination or other sensory effect (although they are awesome
), it really is the 'way you think' are percieve everything for the few hours comming. I don't know, you may avoid this drug from the rest of your life after, but one time is sure something to do.I tried to jam with friends on shrooms once this summer, and it has been one of the strangest experience I did... On the 'peak' of my confusion, I just had lost my perception of music! It was impossible to creat anything I could like... Of course, an hour later, I was okay and ready for 50 minutes + improvisations, who appeared to some of our bests!...
As for LSD, I don't know if I want ot try it... It scares me, but I might be missing something huge. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 16:37
Why should you anyway? Like I always said, Caffeine is the best drug avaible. It doesn't mess your body, it's good, easy to get, not costy, and the best drug to do music on. You are so energic and focused, you can really drain the creativity out of your mind.
Of course, a lot of coffee and some pot is also great! Doesn't maes better music, but the jam session sure is funnier! ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 22:14
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I would probably frighten you with my history. Suffice to say that from 1971 to 1982, I did LSD perhaps 1,000 times or more (that's a conservative estimate). And that's not counting the number of times I did 'shrooms or mescaline.
My most intense periods were from the middle of my sophomore year to the middle of my senior year in high school (when I tripped virtually every other day) and from September 1979 to December 1980, when I tripped two or three times a week.
Note that, despite my tripping for two years in high school, I had the highest sophomore average in the history of the school, maintained a B+ average or better, and graduated in the top 50 of a class of almost 350. And despite my nearly continual tripping for 11 years, I had only three truly "bad" trips and have never had a single flashback.
I have actually considered writing a book about my experiences with drugs, not only because they are long and intense, but because I survived with nary a "scratch"; as far as I am aware, only my long- and short-term memory was affected, and even these only minorly.
Finally, I am neither proud nor ashamed of my experiences, nor do I condone the use of drugs willy-nilly. They are not for everyone, and not everyone is ready - physically, psychologically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. - for the experience. Having said that, I have no question whatsoever that my own personal experiences with them were positive overall.
Peace.
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 00:47
wow, I saw that you posted a long message and expected a sermon. That is very interesting that you were successful despite what you've done. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 03:43
I've lost count, but the Stonehenge festivals would not have been the same without the many, many cups of mushroom tea 
However, I have witnessed a few acid casualties in my time - so it's important to bear in mind that this stuff is not for everyone and that there are dangers. It depends entirely on you, your physical and mental makeup, mood and surroundings. It's a game of Russian Roulette with your mind - so play away, if you feel the urge - but always respectfully. It's not like having a few beers with your mates down the pub. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 04:18
I once drank a lager shandy  ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 05:57
| Fun, but I'm not about to recommend it to anyone. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 06:24
Impressive! I'm a little player compared to you, with my 100 mush trips, 5 LSA trips, 1 San pedro and 15000 joints! Instead of trying yourself, i can recommend you a nice reading: LSD medical experiences leaded by Stanislas Grof: 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:14
I'm surprised you can remember 15000 joints! I have a terrible memory as it is, without drugs. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:16
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Actually, all these nice vegetal had not the smallest drawback on my memory! (except short-term memory at the moment i'm very stoned) i've got an elephant's memory. This is a rough aproximation, of course. Maybe 1000 less or 1000 more.... |
Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:21
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Have tried mushrooms (the last time around 13 years ago). Will not do it again. I am not enough mentally stable, have no need for it, and I am very content with the occasional jazz tobacco, some quality malt whisky and beer. Judging by friends who have tried both mushrooms and acid, acid is a more controlled trip, as the potency of the mushrooms (Psilocybin) is less predictable (I am talking about North-Norwegian Psilocybin after the first night of frost in the autumn). Might try acid when I am 67... I remember reading about Grof in a Norwegian freak magazine in my teens. Interesting theory seeing parallells between an acid trip and being born (literaly). I seem to remember something about breathing oneself into an acid trip too, but I am not sure this was Grof. Quite spacey stuff. "Doors of perception" by Aldous Huxley might also be an interesting book to those who do not know it. A more intellectual/philosophical approach to doing hallucinogenics (Mescaline, I think), as I remember it. I have to read it again soon. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:24
^ Didn't Viking berserks eat some mushrooms in order to get the battle frenzy?  
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:27
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" Interesting theory seeing parallells between an acid trip and being born (literaly). " Indeed. Most of the people who did LSD trips as a therapy with Grof lived again their intra uterine life and sometimes their birth. "Doors of perception" by Aldous Huxley is an absolute must, very deep. In France, we have Henri Michaux and Charles duits in the same vein (both did mescaline exp and it involved a deep philosophical reflection). Only Castaneda goes (much) further. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:27
Highly worthy post, brother!
I think it is important to say that use of drugs do not diminish the mental capacities of the takers (Not that sure in the long run for hard drugs, though). I was a heavy toker throughout high school and UNI, and everaged around 75% to 85% grades with minimal application. Mostly I listened, wrote notes and reread them once in a while troughout the following weeks >> this allowed me to party during exam time.
on occasion we used the doobies in order to study harder, too! >>> Mental gymnastics!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:30
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These are "Lucidogens" anyway. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:31
I've not done acid since about '86 or '87; I always enjoyed it & had some great times (especially at gigs) - however, I do remember I stopped doing it as I'd never had a bad trip, but had been in several situations trying to talk down friends who were having just such an experience. Trying to calm them down was scary enough, but their later descriptions of how they felt at the time were downright terrifying at times - hence, I quit while I was 'ahead'. So there you have it - descriptions from 4 separate people; some good, some bad. Sure, you'll get bad experiences as well with legal drugs like alcohol (one of the most dangerous drugs available), but at least with alcohol you can moderate your consumption, and you know what you're taking. This is not the case with chemical substances such as LSD - you could get a mild trip & enjoy it, or you could go to the far end of the scale & regret it for a long time (unlikely, but all too possible). Bottom line (for me, at least) - experimentation is fine, moderation in all things, but if in any doubt DON'T DO IT. ------------- 
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Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:33
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Vikings at war on a mushroom trip. I cannot really believe it. Some claim they ate red toadstool, some say psilocybin, but I do not think there is any consensus on this, or whether they actually did it before battles at all. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:35
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That's very true. Another issue with products such as "Acid" is that you're not sure of what you get. Whereas with mush or weed, you know what it is. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:41
it's all right for you "experienced" hippies to boast about dabbling in drugs in your youth then preaching to youngsters not to do it....you're encouraging them! you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves!!
DRUGS CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE...PERIOD! no one ever gets away with it. don't believe all the NOSTALGIC rubbish you hear, people think drinking and drugs improves performance IT DOESN'T.
don't listen to these foolish ramblings!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:43
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So you never drink alcohol? |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:48
Quite right. I am totally ashamed of all those nights spent wandering around fields, woods and mystic stone circles, watching bands like Hawkwind, Here & Now and the Ozric Tentacles playing with cosmic lightshows, and druids performing ages-old ceremonies, women dancing naked... JUST SAY NO, KIDS! ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:49
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nothing to do with alchohol, oliver, i'm talking about DRUGS! moderate amounts of alchohol can be beneficial, but drugs are for sick people. i recently read cannabis can relieve the symptoms of MS sufferers which would be fine for them, but healthy people taking drugs for experimentation is ludicrously stupid......agree?
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Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:50
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I remember, after having eaten Psilocibyn, having the feeling that my mind was being sucked into a drain. I tried to fight it, which I probably should not have done. Then came the feeling of me and my friends having complete understanding of each others mental states and opinions, and the world "sub specie aeternitatis", without needing to say a word. (Looking in a mirror was very scary. Food was disgusting.) Then came reality sneaking back, in its worst case scenario, only with focus on the hopelessness/pointlessness of everything... I do not recommend it. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:03
Fred
Alcohol is a drug whether you like it or not. A legal one, but a drug
Ditto with nicotine and caffeine
Canabis and even cocaine and heroin have medical properties and are legally importable in all countries provided they are severly controlled and used only for medication preparations. Even the US Custom have price list for these items.
Coca leaves are a miracle for high altitude, yet even for those heading for 5000m altitude, it is forbidden even in Peru. Why? >> because its commerce is uncontrollable and the Gov't cannot tax it.
As far as healthy people doing drugs, one must make a difference between the ones who do it socially and recreatively (like moi and apparently lots of us on the PA) and the ones who use it as a refuge .
Soft drugs (I include shrooms, and LSD in here) have little problem of physical dependency and only psychological dependancy on those who are pre-disposed to that weakness.
Yes, drugs can be dangerous! Hard Drugs are certainly dangerous!!
But how hypocrits could we be to those young people by lying to them about our own experiences? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:04
Let's make a comparison: Alcohol kills thousands of people each year, by disease or by car accident. When abuse, alcohol lowers your level of consciouness, can make someone violent. Incests, rapes, murder are committed under alcohol influence. You'll never see someone beats his wife coming back from the coffeeshop! Alcohol is classified as a hard drug by the government himself which prohibites Canna! Recent (governmental) studies show that Cannabis multiply by 2 the risk of car accident. With alcohol it's per 8!! Your fav music genre has been 95% inspired by Cannabis use!!! Without weed, no prog! |
Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:05
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Quote MysticFred: "Drugs are for sick people" This is IMO a very immature statement. How old are you? I agree that to some people light drugs might be unhealthy and could cause mental problems. But this kind of categorical statements gets you nowhere, and I don't think you will convince any of the young people around here with them either. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:08
You indulged at Here and Now gigs too, eh?
Seriously - I think none of us quoted in my previous posting would ever glorify or advocate the use of drugs; the point is like it or not, they can have their up-sides as well as their down-sides - but the very fact they have their (occasionally very serious) downsides must make anyone who is even considering trying them think very carefully before going ahead.  -------------
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:47
Fred is much older than you might expect him to be.
He is a father of teenagers (I think) and he is obviously concerned that soon his kids will be exposed (or have even been exposed already). to the stuff.
The problem of soft drugs is that it leads the weak to harder drugs.
Almost every junkie passed through Mary Jane's legs, but they had probably started with glue first.
I do share Fred's concern with this issue (talking to young people about this), but denying drug's enjoyablity is not the answer. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:55
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I don't believe in the escalate theory: Virtually all junkies who "started" with pot, experimented alcohol and glue before. So is alcohol a first step leading to heroin? No, of course. It's rather the fact that establishement lies on pot who makes young people not believe the establishement when he -rightly- says that heroin is dangerous. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 09:01
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It's rather the fact that it's forbidden that makes -not only- youth wants to transgress the prohibition. -There has been a huge rise of alcohol comsuption during the prohibitive years in the USA. -France is the EU country where young smokes the more pot whereas it's the more prohibitive country, and Netherlands, the freer, has one of the lower rate of young canna consumers in EU. Also, french government diabolizes canna but allows very dangerous psychotropic "medications" to please the pharmaceutic mafia. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 09:03
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I'd like to pop in and say that for me, who has yet to try anything
"worse" than weed, all these tales, good or bad, are very informative
and benefitial. There are some things you just can't read in books, and
I'm grateful that this thread is here. I try to get as complete a
picture as possible of what the effects of a drug will be like before I
actually try it. I'm very cautious, and I need every advice I can get. I am personally interested in LSD or mushrooms because of all the good things I've heard you can experience during the "trip". However, I am also highly aware of the dangers of drugs in any shape or form. That includes both alcohol and caffeine, MysticFred. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 09:06
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Just say Know! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 09:08
Indeed, sufficient knowledge is the key to "successful" usage. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 10:20
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sorry to sound like your auntie on this subject, i am not immature, i have no teenage sons, but i have spent the last several years of my working life (as a security officer) discouraging hundreds of teenagers from using drugs, however soft. Fair enough there are cigarettes, which i dissuade youngsters from using but they still do, and the RESPONSIBLE use of alchohol is ok, i.e. not drinking and driving/bingeing for starters. What really irritates is so called responsible adults advocating soft drugs, even the Police let us down by re-classifying cannabis, but it does lead to schizophrenia and brain damage, believe me i've known people affected by it and many (but not all) move onto harder drugs, dealers, criminality etc.etc. anyone remotely interested in rock knows the dangers of "experimentation" through what happened to many including Syd Barret for instance, who was a heavy user. Other members of Floyd were worried about him at the time and eventually sacked him from the band, i love psychedelic music such as Hawkwind (see my reviews!) and have never felt the need to take drugs to appreciate them. There have been many oppportunities, i'm glad i never took them. That's all i have to say further on this subject and that's my opinion, agree or disagree. ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 10:31
I have to say I agree 100% with you, even if I've never taken drugs or been interested in taking them. Italy has very strict laws about drugs, but this has not helped discourage people from using them - especially as regards extremely dangerous synthetic drugs such as Ecstasy. Anyway, I am completely against any kind of prohibition, as I feel it is stupid and hypocritical. After all, everyone is free to go to a supermarket and buy all the bottles of wine and spirits available, and no one would bat an eyelid - far from that! Besides, you are perfectly right about "legal" drugs, such as antidepressants or tranquillisers, which are often prescribed by doctors without due care. I know of at least two people who have almost been turned into vegetables by heavy use of such legally available drugs. |
Posted By: man@arms
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 10:40
| Live and let live. For nearly as long as mankind has walked this planet we have found ways to get intoxicated. Drugs will never go away and for every one person you might be able to convince not to do them, many others will indulge. This will never change. I personally find some drugs in moderation to be beneficial, but I realize that whatever I may experience someone else might react differently to. But, you won't know until you try. Don't be a drug virgin. |