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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 23:07
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Rust Rust wrote:

Originally posted by Bastille Dude Bastille Dude wrote:

Originally posted by the man machine the man machine wrote:

i dont think i will ever try it , i like to be under control , i do love getting baked about once a week though because most of the time i feel under control. cannabis isnt usually halucinagenic
I think thats one of the reasons why I fear doing psychedelics now, I don't like the feeling of not being in control. Even herb has some negative effects on me now, makes me paranoid and I can't handle paranoia. I'm well past my frat boy beer drinking days so I only drink beer because I really enjoy the taste of a good beer, I don't drink to get drunk. Nothing is worse than a hangover.Here's a question for those that have indulged in psychedelics, When listening to music do you ever have a flash or flashback? for example I listen to psychedelic music with lots of fuzzed out guitar, Whenever I hear that fuzzed out guitar tone I have a quick flash. Not the kind of flashback where you go crazy and jump out of windows, but just a quick flash of memory of being on a trip.

 

 

I listened to the Atom Heart Mother Suite on shrooms once. God, that song never seemed so long and exciting in my entire life. When I listen to the song now, I remember what I was thinking during the trip, but I have not regained that feeling yet.

 

I have only done shrooms a few times, (Cubensis), and I like them enough to do them again, in moderation!

I do plan on trying LSD once, once I've moved out and have nothing in life that can possibly make me have a bad trip.


I made many mush trips on Ummagumma studio album -among others- and it was awesome.



    
 
 
 
 
My next shroom trip, I will experiment past the happy Yes songs, and into the more dangerous teritorry, like Ummagumma. I would never even think of tripping on LSD to Pink Floyd, their stuff is scary enough on shrooms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 04:06


Actually, my friends i and were feeling really secure on Ummaguma (studio album), like we were back to the foetal state (that's a classic case of intra uterine regression).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 12:19
43 times from October 1990 to January 1993 ... one of the great loves of my life ... but coincidentally overlaps neatly with that time I dropped out of college
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 14:29
I have considered it, but I haven't yet done anything else than weed. I'm not entirely sure if I'm going to try LSD, considering the many dangers of it. After reading through this topic, mushrooms seem to be a better alternative.

Regarding stimulants, I won't mess about with anything worse than caffeine. A friend of mine did coke though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 16:33
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I think everyone should, I'd even says need, to do mushroom once in their life. The first time is special, you come to a mental state that is unique are unbelievable. The good part isn't the hallucination or other sensory effect (although they are awesome Wink), it really is the 'way you think' are percieve everything for the few hours comming. I don't know, you may avoid this drug from the rest of your life after, but one time is sure something to do.
 
I tried to jam with friends on shrooms once this summer, and it has been one of the strangest experience I did... On the 'peak' of my confusion, I just had lost my perception of music! It was impossible to creat anything I could like... Of course, an hour later, I was okay and ready for 50 minutes + improvisations, who appeared to some of our bests!...
 
 
 
 
As for LSD, I don't know if I want ot try it... It scares me, but I might be missing something huge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 16:37
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:


Regarding stimulants, I won't mess about with anything worse than caffeine.
 
Why should you anyway? Like I always said, Caffeine is the best drug avaible. It doesn't mess your body, it's good, easy to get, not costy, and the best drug to do music on. You are so energic and focused, you can really drain the creativity out of your mind.
 
 
Of course, a lot of coffee and some pot is also great! Doesn't maes better music, but the jam session sure is funnier! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 22:14
I would probably frighten you with my history.  Suffice to say that from 1971 to 1982, I did LSD perhaps 1,000 times or more (that's a conservative estimate).  And that's not counting the number of times I did 'shrooms or mescaline.
 
My most intense periods were from the middle of my sophomore year to the middle of my senior year in high school (when I tripped virtually every other day) and from September 1979 to December 1980, when I tripped two or three times a week.
 
Note that, despite my tripping for two years in high school, I had the highest sophomore average in the history of the school, maintained a B+ average or better, and graduated in the top 50 of a class of almost 350.  And despite my nearly continual tripping for 11 years, I had only three truly "bad" trips and have never had a single flashback.
 
I have actually considered writing a book about my experiences with drugs, not only because they are long and intense, but because I survived with nary a "scratch"; as far as I am aware, only my long- and short-term memory was affected, and even these only minorly.
 
Finally, I am neither proud nor ashamed of my experiences, nor do I condone the use of drugs willy-nilly.  They are not for everyone, and not everyone is ready - physically, psychologically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. - for the experience.  Having said that, I have no question whatsoever that my own personal experiences with them were positive overall.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 00:47
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I would probably frighten you with my history.  Suffice to say that from 1971 to 1982, I did LSD perhaps 1,000 times or more (that's a conservative estimate).  And that's not counting the number of times I did 'shrooms or mescaline.
 

My most intense periods were from the middle of my sophomore year to the middle of my senior year in high school (when I tripped virtually every other day) and from September 1979 to December 1980, when I tripped two or three times a week.

 

Note that, despite my tripping for two years in high school, I had the highest sophomore average in the history of the school, maintained a B+ average or better, and graduated in the top 50 of a class of almost 350.  And despite my nearly continual tripping for 11 years, I had only three truly "bad" trips and have never had a single flashback.

 

I have actually considered writing a book about my experiences with drugs, not only because they are long and intense, but because I survived with nary a "scratch"; as far as I am aware, only my long- and short-term memory was affected, and even these only minorly.

 

Finally, I am neither proud nor ashamed of my experiences, nor do I condone the use of drugs willy-nilly.  They are not for everyone, and not everyone is ready - physically, psychologically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. - for the experience.  Having said that, I have no question whatsoever that my own personal experiences with them were positive overall.

 

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wow, I saw that you posted a long message and expected a sermon.
That is very interesting that you were successful despite what you've done.

    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 03:43
I've lost count, but the Stonehenge festivals would not have been the same without the many, many cups of mushroom tea
   
However, I have witnessed a few acid casualties in my time - so it's important to bear in mind that this stuff is not for everyone and that there are dangers. It depends entirely on you, your physical and mental makeup, mood and surroundings.

It's a game of Russian Roulette with your mind - so play away, if you feel the urge - but always respectfully. It's not like having a few beers with your mates down the pub.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 05:57
    Fun, but I'm not about to recommend it to anyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 06:24
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I would probably frighten you with my history.  Suffice to say that from 1971 to 1982, I did LSD perhaps 1,000 times or more (that's a conservative estimate).  And that's not counting the number of times I did 'shrooms or mescaline.
 

My most intense periods were from the middle of my sophomore year to the middle of my senior year in high school (when I tripped virtually every other day) and from September 1979 to December 1980, when I tripped two or three times a week.

 

Note that, despite my tripping for two years in high school, I had the highest sophomore average in the history of the school, maintained a B+ average or better, and graduated in the top 50 of a class of almost 350.  And despite my nearly continual tripping for 11 years, I had only three truly "bad" trips and have never had a single flashback.

 

I have actually considered writing a book about my experiences with drugs, not only because they are long and intense, but because I survived with nary a "scratch"; as far as I am aware, only my long- and short-term memory was affected, and even these only minorly.

 

Finally, I am neither proud nor ashamed of my experiences, nor do I condone the use of drugs willy-nilly.  They are not for everyone, and not everyone is ready - physically, psychologically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. - for the experience.  Having said that, I have no question whatsoever that my own personal experiences with them were positive overall.

 

Peace.


Impressive!

I'm a little player compared to you, with my 100 mush trips, 5 LSA trips, 1 San pedro and 15000 joints!

Instead of trying yourself, i can recommend you a nice reading: LSD medical experiences leaded by Stanislas Grof:


    




    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:14
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Impressive!

I'm a little player compared to you, with my 100 mush trips, 5 LSA trips, 1 San pedro and 15000 joints!
 
I'm surprised you can remember 15000 joints! I have a terrible memory as it is, without drugs. Confused
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Actually, all these nice vegetal had not the smallest drawback on my memory! (except short-term memory at the moment i'm very stoned) i've got an elephant's memory.

This is a rough aproximation, of course. Maybe 1000 less or 1000 more....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:21
Have tried mushrooms (the last time around 13 years ago). Will not do it again. I am not enough mentally stable, have no need for it, and I am very content with the occasional jazz tobacco, some quality malt whisky and beer.

Judging by friends who have tried both mushrooms and acid, acid is a more controlled trip, as the potency of the mushrooms (Psilocybin) is less predictable (I am talking about North-Norwegian Psilocybin after the first night of frost in the autumn).

Might try acid when I am 67...

I remember reading about Grof in a Norwegian freak magazine in my teens. Interesting theory seeing parallells between an acid trip and being born (literaly). I seem to remember something about breathing oneself into an acid trip too, but I am not sure this was Grof. Quite spacey stuff.

"Doors of perception" by Aldous Huxley might also be an interesting book to those who do not know it. A more intellectual/philosophical approach to doing hallucinogenics (Mescaline, I think), as I remember it. I have to read it again soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:24
^ Didn't Viking berserks eat some mushrooms in order to get the battle frenzy? Tongue Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:27


" Interesting theory seeing parallells between an acid trip and being born (literaly). "

Indeed. Most of the people who did LSD trips as a therapy with Grof lived again their intra uterine life and sometimes their birth.


"Doors of perception" by Aldous Huxley is an absolute must, very deep.
In France, we have Henri Michaux and Charles duits in the same vein (both did mescaline exp and it involved a deep philosophical reflection).
Only Castaneda goes (much) further.



    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:27
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I would probably frighten you with my history.  Suffice to say that from 1971 to 1982, I did LSD perhaps 1,000 times or more (that's a conservative estimate).  And that's not counting the number of times I did 'shrooms or mescaline.
 
My most intense periods were from the middle of my sophomore year to the middle of my senior year in high school (when I tripped virtually every other day) and from September 1979 to December 1980, when I tripped two or three times a week.
 
Note that, despite my tripping for two years in high school, I had the highest sophomore average in the history of the school, maintained a B+ average or better, and graduated in the top 50 of a class of almost 350.  And despite my nearly continual tripping for 11 years, I had only three truly "bad" trips and have never had a single flashback.
 
I have actually considered writing a book about my experiences with drugs, not only because they are long and intense, but because I survived with nary a "scratch"; as far as I am aware, only my long- and short-term memory was affected, and even these only minorly.
 
Finally, I am neither proud nor ashamed of my experiences, nor do I condone the use of drugs willy-nilly.  They are not for everyone, and not everyone is ready - physically, psychologically, emotionally, intellectually, etc. - for the experience.  Having said that, I have no question whatsoever that my own personal experiences with them were positive overall. >>>>Clap
 
Peace.
 
Highly worthy post, brother!Wink
 
I think it is important to say that use of drugs do not diminish the mental capacities of the takers (Not that sure in the long run for hard drugs, though). I was a heavy toker throughout high school and UNI, and everaged around 75% to 85% grades with minimal application. Mostly I listened, wrote notes and reread them once in a while troughout the following weeks >> this allowed me to party during exam time.
 
on occasion we used the doobies in order to study harder, too! >>> Mental gymnastics!
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:30


These are "Lucidogens" anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 07:31
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I've lost count, but the Stonehenge festivals would not have been the same without the many, many cups of mushroom tea
    
However, I have witnessed a few acid casualties in my time - so it's important to bear in mind that this stuff is not for everyone and that there are dangers. It depends entirely on you, your physical and mental makeup, mood and surroundings.

It's a game of Russian Roulette with your mind - so play away, if you feel the urge - but always respectfully. It's not like having a few beers with your mates down the pub.


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Used it a lot in the early 90's. Excellent drug, until you have a bad trip, after that it never feels the same again. Took my last one about ten years ago.

Advice to anyone considering it. Dont bother. I suffered bad depression as a result my lifestyle at the time, and LSD was a big factor in that.


Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Sound advice. A friend of mine suffered a breakdown after tripping almost daily for several months (though I'm pleased to say he made a full recovery) and I've been with a few people who were having bad trips - not funny at all ... my only 'bad trip' was an ecstasy pill that went horribly wrong, not a experience I wish to repeat. If you do experiment with the stuff, remember that you never know how strong it is until it's in your system, and once it's in there you'll be under the influence for 8 - 12 hours and experiencing the after effects for 2 - 3 days. A bad trip can take days to get over if you're lucky.


I've not done acid since about '86 or '87; I always enjoyed it & had some great times (especially at gigs) - however, I do remember I stopped doing it as I'd never had a bad trip, but had been in several situations trying to talk down friends who were having just such an experience. Trying to calm them down was scary enough, but their later descriptions of how they felt at the time were downright terrifying at times - hence, I quit while I was 'ahead'.

So there you have it - descriptions from 4 separate people; some good, some bad. Sure, you'll get bad experiences as well with legal drugs like alcohol (one of the most dangerous drugs available), but at least with alcohol you can moderate your consumption, and you know what you're taking.

This is not the case with chemical substances such as LSD - you could get a mild trip & enjoy it, or you could go to the far end of the scale & regret it for a long time (unlikely, but all too possible).

Bottom line (for me, at least) - experimentation is fine, moderation in all things, but if in any doubt DON'T DO IT.
    
    

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