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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:23
This thread is so old......do we really want to keep it open???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:27
Well, I do not neciserily belife it yet. I've yet to see him wearing a cross. A photo might help.
But anyways, I don't necissarily find it unlikely.
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:29
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

This thread is so old......do we really want to keep it open???


Nah, I'm withdrawing. I will only respond if someone questions me on the points I've allready made from now on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:50
Originally posted by NecroManiac NecroManiac wrote:

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by NecroManiac NecroManiac wrote:

Well actually the fact that you wear all that jewelry in the first place might be something to analyze...  -Judge me by, you mean

No actually I meant analyze...judgement seems to be your thing!
You cannot "analyze" me by a single sentence. What you would be doing is judging me by it. Analyzation requires concrete knowlage of facts to be valid, everything else is judgment.
And don't worry, I'm not above judging myself, so at least we're even.

Huh? Guess you haven't had any psychology classes... but I wasn't analyzing your one sentence.. I could analyze you from every statement you've made on this thread... on this website for that matter.. And analyzation in no way requires concrete knowledge... if it did, the analyzation would be unnecessary for the facts would speak for themselves.  The whole point of analyzation is to come up with a theory as to why something is the way it is....

but that being said, Christianity has survived the years, survived rock music, and survived their own bad deeds... I'm sure it will survive your criticisms also...
-kinda like greek mythology does . I'm not alone mind you, and i'm not attacking christianity in particular, just organized religion.

Wow, I didn't know Greek mythology had a church and a billion followers... where have I been..
/sarcasm mode off
Sorry, I did not mean to sound so vauge. What I ment was, don't asume that all things are eternal, just because they're the things you know.
That saying goes for me too, but anyways, I was just pointing out the fault in your logic.

I in no way assume that Christianity is eternal because its what I know, nor did that statement come close to representing that fact.  I pretty much can read and research back in history.. that its been doing pretty good in the eternal business all by itself...

Torture and death sentences have also survived trougout the ages despite my critisisim, and I have no illusion that they wont continue after my death, but so will sceptism and atheism, and all those things, good or bad, are older than christianity.
And as for rock music...... The devils music?  "survived?" I just love how Christians Bash their own inventions

Wow, I also didn't know that torture and death sentences were only connected to religion..
-The point was not discrediting religion, but pointing out that bad things also presist. And I mentioned Atheism too. A philosiphy that contradicts your belief just as much as your belife contradicts my philosiphy.
I was just trying to ilustrate were I was comming from.

The bad things persist in people.. The faith itself does not sponsor torture or death.

I believe everyone has a right to believe in what they believe...
-Me too. But contradictionaly, that is not what your religion teaches.

Hardly, my religion teaches "Judge ye not, least you be judged"....
-Well, I admit there are some good bits, but you realy have to search for it troughout the hatred and the contradictions in your beloved book. It also says: Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, and that seems to be the prevailing philosiphy troughout it's chapters, and not just in the old testament.

If you're referring to the Bible... it was written by many different people.  If you haven't notice, it seems humanly impossible to see anything the same way as someone else.  Thats just human nature.  So it leads to contradictions..  However, I don't agree that the teaching of an eye for an eye or tooth for a tooth prevails in the New Testament by those who followed Christ's teachings.

I am a Christian..and I attend church.  However, I live with and love a Jewish man... and I attend temple with him.  I support him in his faith every way I can, and he does the same for me.  So whatever you believe in, is just fine by me...
-Yet you replied to me on the basis that I was wrong and "anilyzed" me by a single sentence.

Incorrect actually... you replied to me first, with an assumption regarding Greg Lake's faith.  I merely responded to your assumption on someone you do not know.
-Yet you used the words "Analize"   Actually I used the word analyze.. and only on your remarks of how many religious symbols you wear in jewelry. And again, analyze means to examine or explore... judge means to critique or evaluate.


And no, your not a christian, and I would go as far as saying that the majority of the people that belive them so today are not. At least, not int the way their scriptures preach to them.
Same with Jews mind you.

I have a feeling you don't know enough about the Christian or Jewish faith to make such a judgemental statement.  You have a tendancy to really "be the pot calling the kettle black"..
-I used to be a devout christian, and have both read the christian and the jewish bible.
It was the start of my mythological fascination, just as it was the start of my alianation from organized religion. 

Devout faith takes more than reading the Bible.  Also understanding the Bible takes a lot more time and research than I'm sure you put in.  Maani here probably has spent quite a lot of time researching the Bible.  When it comes to explaining how the Bible works... I leave that up to him.

And actualy, I find it to be a good thing. It's a "progression" in the right direction.
But that is my personal point of view, take it as you will.

Guess we'll have to!
-Thanks for at least showing interest in it. Best regards to you and your husband.

Thanks... He had his first Christmas this year.. actually we celebrated Christmakah.... He bought me a tree.. and I bought him a beautiful menorah....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:56

Its the return of "The Attack Of The Pink Smog"

Run to the hills boys,this gal will not give in!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Its the return of "The Attack Of The Pink Smog"

Run to the hills boys,this gal will not give in!

Well, this is true.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

It's not about being out of touch.It's about points of view and judgement calls.

I have a different view of the individual involved.I'm not saying he is perfect or even that he is to be applauded in any way.I'm suggesting that he used poor judgement through naivety.I doubt very much that it was his intention was to offend; although I could be wrong and also his intent could be a moot point. As for the disrespect he showed to you-what young man hasnt challenged authority or reacted incorrectly to being rebuked? It is the nature of youth to react in this way to the older generation.It doesnt make it right or acceptable,but it does make it "normal"-it's just humans being human. Should we expect all who enter here to undergo some kind of ruthless fallability test?

This isnt a put up or shut up reply,merely an acknowledgement that none of us here is perfect. Mistakes will be made,errors of judgement will be witnessed.A PM to a Moderator or to the individual involved is normally the best course of action.

I agree, Tony. I would have used a PM, but 4 minutes after my initial post, Easy merely moved the thread to another section. (Perhaps he did not look at page one.) I understandably saw that as tacit acceptance of the posting of such material here. Furthermore, I deal with these matters publicly, because they are public, in the first place.

I know about youthful rebellion and indisgression -- yes, believe it or not, I was once young and foolish , too -- and I am heartened,by, and accept, the explanation for his actions that King of Loss has offered. i bear him no ill will.

Still, I logged on here, saw a potentially interesting and inflammatory thread entitled "Is ELP anti-Christian" and backed up to the first page -- not knowing it had originated half a year before. Surely, when such topics appear, they should be the first that the moderators should examine?

Finally, and by way of an olive brach, know that I continue to hold this site and its mods (doing a tough job that I didn't have the stomach to do) in high regard.

Yes, you are human, and mistakes are made, but I genuinely thought those lyrics were being knowingly allowed to remain.

I believe some good always comes out of these "awkward" occurances.

Keep up the good work,

Peter

 

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 18:00
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Its the return of "The Attack Of The Pink Smog"

Run to the hills boys,this gal will not give in!

I knew you missed me!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 18:04
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Its the return of "The Attack Of The Pink Smog"

Run to the hills boys,this gal will not give in!

I knew you missed me!!!

Have you been away?

Is this a return or a flying visit caused by a blip on your ELP radar alert?Approve

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 18:08

Never left really... just not found much fun in posting lately... having too much fun elsewhere...

But my ELP radar is working nicely, thank you!.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2006 at 18:10

Nice to read you again,anyway!

Ok,every party has had their chance to sat their piece.

This one's now consigned to Prog Archive Dungeon Zone.

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