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    Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:31

Ghandi described these as the 7 Blunders Of The World:

"Seven Blunders of the World"

1. Wealth without work

2. Pleasure without conscience

3. Knowledge without character

4. Commerce without morality

5. Science without humanity

6. Worship without sacrifice

7. Politics without principle

—Mahatma Gandhi


* Attributed to Gandhi in a December 15, 1998, article in 'Edupage'

 

1 and 4 are close to my heart.

Anyone add any more to this list?
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:34
oh,dear,I think Tony R will lock this thread...it's so useful it just doesn't fit here...

for the quotes

number III is my choice...
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^ 8. Locking threads without sufficient reason?

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and there you go...the list is now officialy ruined...
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I suppose a prog version of the list might be

  1. Genesis without Gabriel
  2. Yes without Anderson
  3. Queen without Mercury
  4. Marillion without Fish
  5. Waters without Pink Floyd
  6. Can without Czukay
  7. Soft Machine without Ratledge

The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK.
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"x without y" presupposes that x is a desirable thing...and in my mind, that's debatable for the majority of the examples.

Plus, not all good things require suffering or sacrifice. That's a major fallacy that so many people have bought into for so long that it seems to us to be a given. That's part of why things like compassion, charity and generosity often seem so difficult for us...
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

  1. Waters without Pink Floyd


not viceversa?
 
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I suppose a prog version of the list might be

  1. Genesis without Gabriel
  2. Yes without Anderson
  3. Queen without Mercury
  4. Marillion without Fish
  5. Waters without Pink Floyd
  6. Can without Czukay
  7. Soft Machine without Ratledge

The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK.



I'd have said Softs without Wyatt
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

  1. Waters without Pink Floyd



not viceversa?
 

Floyd without waters were actually OK IMO - not brilliant, but at least they sounded like the old Floyd and put on a good live show.

Similarly, Softs without Wyatt were never quite the same but they still made some enjoyable jazz fusion, like Gong did when Pierre Moerlen took over.
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It's interesting - I was reading an essay by Orwell on Ghandi, and the second "blunder" seems taken to absurd (clarification later ) extremes: Ghandi taught that we should not put condiments or flavourings on food because, rather than enjoying it, we should be eating purely to sustain ourselves. Now in his specific religious context (and assuming a belief that these plants have some puporse for existence other than being eaten)this is perfectly fine, but to everyone else it really is absurd - just because something is necessary, should we derive no pleasure from it? Of course the same can be said for his saying that sexual intercourse should be without pleasure, but far too many religions teach that for me to ridicule it
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Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

"... not all good things require suffering or sacrifice. That's a major fallacy that so many people have bought into for so long that it seems to us to be a given. That's part of why things like compassion, charity and generosity often seem so difficult for us...

  

It may be true that certain things can only be acquired through self-discipline, hard work, perhaps even pain (such as mastery of certain skills, for example), but certainly not everything. This idea that we must pay a price for pleasure and for every good thing that happens to us is a deeply rooted and very strange one indeed.
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8. Prog Archives still has not added Led Zeppelin to the site  !

9. Prog Archvies still has not added The Doors to the site  !

10. Prog Archives still has not added Santana to the site  !

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Points: 1859 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:20
8. PA without walruses.

Other list, in a similar way to that what Syzygy did:

1. The whole world of music without Billy Gould
2. Lynyrd Skynyrd without Ronnie VanZant
3. Flipper without Will Shatter
4. Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett
5. The Who without Keith Moon
6. Velvet Underground without Lou Reed
7. My bed without Jennifer Charles
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8.Mariah without sillicon

9. Orange Juice without pulp.

10. Pulp without Orange Juice

12. Cheeseburger without cheese.

12. Bush with a brain.

 



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A serious one:

Freedom without boundaries

That's one from Mahatma Moogy  
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Power without responsibility
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OK! There's eight blunders in the world, they are...
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I suppose a prog version of the list might be



  1. Genesis without Gabriel

  2. Yes without Anderson

  3. Queen without Mercury

  4. Marillion without Fish

  5. Waters without Pink Floyd

  6. Can without Czukay

  7. Soft Machine without Ratledge

The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK.



What the hell "Queen" does in your list?

It's not prog!!
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Points: 1881 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2005 at 05:29
I could do with some of No.1 actually!!! (wealth without work that is...)

Not sure I like No.6 - worship without sacrifice - smacks of religuous extremeism and I don't believe he intended that.

Perhaps "Religion without  respect" would be better.
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Games without Frontiers

Well, I aint gonna argue with Ghandi on any of those points, apart from pleasure without conscience, but I would like to add.

Faith without blindness = Society without a need for religion!
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