"Seven Blunders of the World"
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Topic: "Seven Blunders of the World"
Posted By: Tony R
Subject: "Seven Blunders of the World"
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:31
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Ghandi described these as the 7 Blunders Of The World:
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:34
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oh,dear,I think Tony R will lock this thread...it's so useful it just doesn't fit here... for the quotes  number III is my choice... ------------- 
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:36
^ 8. Locking threads without sufficient reason? 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 13:39
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and there you go...the list is now officialy ruined...
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:05
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I suppose a prog version of the list might be
The only one of Ghandi's blunders I wouldn't personally support is number 6. I could add knowledge without understanding, style without substance, form without content, laws without justice and tests without purpose, which would accurately sum up the Thatcher, Major and Blair governments in the UK. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:21
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"x without y" presupposes that x is a desirable thing...and in my mind, that's debatable for the majority of the examples. Plus, not all good things require suffering or sacrifice. That's a major fallacy that so many people have bought into for so long that it seems to us to be a given. That's part of why things like compassion, charity and generosity often seem so difficult for us... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:23
 not viceversa?-------------
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Syzygy wrote:Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 14:56
I'd have said Softs without Wyatt ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 15:04
Floyd without waters were actually OK IMO - not brilliant, but at least they sounded like the old Floyd and put on a good live show. Similarly, Softs without Wyatt were never quite the same but they still made some enjoyable jazz fusion, like Gong did when Pierre Moerlen took over. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 15:29
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It's interesting - I was reading an essay by Orwell on Ghandi, and the second "blunder" seems taken to absurd (clarification later ) extremes: Ghandi taught that we should not put condiments or flavourings on food because, rather than enjoying it, we should be eating purely to sustain ourselves. Now in his specific religious context (and assuming a belief that these plants have some puporse for existence other than being eaten)this is perfectly fine, but to everyone else it really is absurd - just because something is necessary, should we derive no pleasure from it? Of course the same can be said for his saying that sexual intercourse should be without pleasure, but far too many religions teach that for me to ridicule it
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Posted By: Hibou
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 16:46
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------------- [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/Progueuse/Album.jpg"> Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool! |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:06
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8. Prog Archives still has not added Led Zeppelin to the site 9. Prog Archvies still has not added The Doors to the site 10. Prog Archives still has not added Santana to the site DUTCH HUMOR from The Hague .. |
!Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:20
8. PA without walruses.  Other list, in a similar way to that what Syzygy did: 1. The whole world of music without Billy Gould 2. Lynyrd Skynyrd without Ronnie VanZant 3. Flipper without Will Shatter 4. Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett 5. The Who without Keith Moon 6. Velvet Underground without Lou Reed 7. My bed without Jennifer Charles ------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 30 2005 at 03:14
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8.Mariah without sillicon 9. Orange Juice without pulp. 10. Pulp without Orange Juice 12. Cheeseburger without cheese. 12. Bush with a brain.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 30 2005 at 10:35
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A serious one: Freedom without boundaries That's one from Mahatma Moogy |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 00:55
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Power without responsibility
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 03:11
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OK! There's eight blunders in the world, they are...
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 05:19
What the hell "Queen" does in your list? It's not prog!! |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 05:29
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I could do with some of No.1 actually!!! (wealth without work that is...) Not sure I like No.6 - worship without sacrifice - smacks of religuous extremeism and I don't believe he intended that. Perhaps "Religion without respect" would be better. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 05:33
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Games without Frontiers
Well, I aint gonna argue with Ghandi on any of those points, apart from pleasure without conscience, but I would like to add. Faith without blindness = Society without a need for religion! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 07:38
Mahatma Moogy - he wise man! ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 07:39
And I won´t say a word about ..................
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:03
I'll try: 8. Work without wealth 9. Conscience without pleasure 10. Character without knowledge 11. Humanity without science 12. Sacrifice without meaning 13. Principle without thought ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:57
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1. Wealth without work - Hmmm what would I do if I won the lottery? 2. Pleasure without conscience - Hmm do I have to feel guilty about smoking, drinking, having random sex? 3. Knowledge without character - Makes sense 4. Commerce without morality - Ditto 5. Science without humanity - likewise 6. Worship without sacrifice - Hmm why do I need to worship at all? 7. Politics without principle - Seems an impossibility as politics is always compromised by the opposite of 1, 2 and 4 —Mahatma Gandhi |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 20:02
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1. God. 2. Allowing England to be so close to Scotland. 3. Scotland never getting past the first phase in the World cup, or European championships. 4. The homosexual James the 6th and 1st............sold the Scots down the river. 5. The Lords of Scotland who sided with the above. 6. England winning the world cup.......because they go on and on and on and on and on..........about how they only ever won one major tournament on the same ground for every game. 7. The corrupt Russian linesman whose guide dog barked that the ball crossed the line in the most infamous and talked about world cup final farce (see above). |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 20:11
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1. Beer without alcohol. 2. Potato Chips without fat. 3. Ice Cream without sugar. 4. Hookers without teeth. 5. Popular musicians without talent. 6. The world without The Doctor as its emperor. 7. The Doctor without 5 different women a night. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 21:09
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My daughter came up with this a year ago, no kidding. She left the class speechless.
1. To See 2. To Hear 3. To Touch 4. To Smell 5. To Taste 6. To Remember 7. To Love It's true. She couldn't remember the real ones, so she came up with these. Teacher gave her an A. Of course as nice as this is, I don't expect much appreciation from the likes of Tony or Syz on things like this. They always seemed to have something negative to say about things like this. But it's not going to deter me in any way. There's another wonder that's seems to be left out here by Tony, and that's the ego! And believe me, he's an expert on this one! |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 05:56
I'll give you most of that, but I think that in addition to number 3 on your list you should add Scottish goalkeepers - and that's one thing that definitely isn't England's fault ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 06:20
| Yeah i have to agree...we gave the world the worst goalies ever........however calamity james is every bit as bad......now has he got a scottish granny, i wonder...... |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 11:12
This one is the best yet...  ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 13:08
Certainly not my best work, but I was having trouble coming up with seven. My personal favorite is number 4. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 13:32
^ "Beer without alcohol" is my fav... 
------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:50
| Doctor.....what is funny about rugby players with no teeth? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 20:06
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Not sure where you're from but I'm gonna guess G.B., in the U.S. hooker=prostitute, and they are often missing several teeth. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 20:30
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Why does "x without y" presuppose that x is a desireable thing? I could say "murder without an alibi." That does not presuppose that murder is a desireable thing. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 20:34
That depends on who you killed. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:40
| I think my attempt at humour died a slow agonising death. |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 04:42
There's only two Andy Gorhams, only two Andy Goooooorhams! |