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Logos 
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 Posted: October 25 2005 at 08:42 |
 maidenrulez wrote:
Logos wrote:
^ Not true. It's very obviously more ROCK than POP. And quite good rock too. |
Its not even rock...i would wish for it to be rock tho...nearly NO GUITARS |
You're joking, right?
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 09:01 |
Norbert wrote:
I don't hate them, just not like most of their material so much.
They have some good pop/rock songs but not they are not extermely progressive.
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Sums it up for me. And you have admit, Freddie Mercury was one of, if not the greatest showman.
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 09:04 |
No guitar in an "only guitar" band? Funny! Perhaps it's not written on the CD booklets anymore, but in the middle of the synthesizermania of the mid seventies (remember Pop Corn?), Queen used to print somewhere on there LP folders "No Synthesizers!" Just to precise that all sounds were generated by the combination of vocals and guitars!
Maybe the confusion comes from the fact that guitarists like Brian May are human. Hence they play with some feeling, while most "modern" (did I say metal?) guitarists could easily be replaced by programs.
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 09:25 |
There's also many (prog) rock bands listed in the archives, which don't have any guitars in 'em, just drums, bass + keyboards. I don't think there has to be a guitar in a rock band. F.ex. AARDVARK was a quite good and funny band, and they did rock too!  I think QUATERMASS was more succesful band of this kind.
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 10:14 |
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Maidenrulez, you hate Queen and in spite of all the things you said, you still don't bring a convincing argument about this hate. I guess it's a matter of personal taste in the end, and that's ok by me. BUT: I would just kindly ask of you not to be offensive with one of the greatest band who ever tread this earth. I find many questionable things in Iron Maiden, but I don't even dream of saying the same things about them as you said about Queen. It's a matter of respect and objectivity I guess. Thanks a lot.
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"my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III")
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 10:52 |
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I pretty much can't stand Queen either. I do feel most of their output is pop, if not very popish rock. Just my humble opinion. I'm not really into the pop scene.
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 11:09 |
Paulieg wrote:
I pretty much can't stand Queen either. I do feel most of their output is pop, if not very popish rock. Just my humble opinion. I'm not really into the pop scene. |
I agree with you on Queen in the late seventies and the eighties. Does your bad feeling also apply to their early albums, especially Queen II, Sheer Heart Attack and A Night At The Opera?
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:14 |
Yes i know that most queen songs has guitars,,,but that is mostly in the background i have taken and listed various queen songs and the instruments that is most dominant in the song.
Another one bites the dust-Mostly bass
Killer Queen-Mostly piano
Fat botommed girls-Guitars
Bicycle race-Mostly piano
Youre my best friend-Synth
Dont stop me now-Mostly piano
Save me-mostly piano
Now im here-Only realy domenant guitar song
Good old fashioned lover boy-Mostly piano
Play the game-Mostly piano
Flash-Mostly piano and synths
Seven seas of rhye-Mostly piano
A kind of magic--Mostly bass and synths
Radio Gaga-synths
I want to break free-synths
Its a hard life-Mostly piano
Who wants to live forever-Synths
The miracle-Mostly synths
Im going slightly mad-mostly synths
Invsible man-Bass and synths
The show must go on-Synths
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:59 |
You NEED to hear Queen II.
Trust me.
BUY IT!!!
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:12 |
In their early years, Queen were one of the greatest rock bands there ever was, and indeed their best work was very proggy imo. Certainly, the triumvirate of 'Queen II', 'Sheer Heart Attack' and 'A Night At The Opera', plus the hard rock masterwork of 'News Of The World' are amongst the best rock has to offer.
However, for me they declined somewhat after about 'Jazz', by bringing in the synths which meant they lost some of their charm and appeal, plus their sense of experiment had diminished hugely.
It wasn't until around 'The Miracle' (and even that is only a half great album) that they managed to re-gain a sense of experiment with the marvellous title track, 'Party/ Khashoggi's Ship' and 'I Want It All', that are by far their best moments of the 80s. 'Innuendo' was their best in years though, and despite a few duff tracks here and there, showed the band firing on all cylinders.
For most people, I'm guessing their understanding of Queen is based on the hit singles of the 80s, such as 'I Want To Break Free' and 'Radio Ga Ga', which are as cheesy as they come. However, songs like 'Doin' Alright', 'Great King Rat', 'Seven Seas Of Rhye', 'March Of The Black Queen', 'Father To Son', '39' and 'The Prophet's Song' are 100% prog.
It's also worth noting that album reviews I've seen from the 70s have actually compared the early Queen to bands like Genesis, suggesting that they were perceived as progressive in their early career.
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 17:11 |
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It's pretty clear our thread starter can't be persuaded to like the
band, even if Queen's earliest albums influenced the band that
supposedly "rulez" from his name. But I would like to comment on a few things.
Most of the songs listed (at least, when spelled correctly) do rely on
other instruments outside of the guitar, sure. So what? There are
plenty of prog/rock songs that don't particularly rely on the guitar as
the main instrument. Prog's most famous song, Carry on wayward son, is
a pretty even mix of guitars and keyboard/piano. Many of Genesis's
compositions in the Gabriel era had the guitar pulling equal weight
with the other instruments, if not less. There's not a ton of guitar in
VDGG's peak periods.
I like every single one of those songs (The invisible man is trying
sometimes, but that's it). One of the best things about Queen was how
they could make music in plenty of different ways. This is a good
thing, in my eyes. Even if you don't like that fact, they have plenty of songs that have the guitar at the forefront too.
Everyone should have a couple of Queen songs that they like because of the wide range of styles they went through,
not to mention different band members singing.
If there isn't, you're probably just hating them just for the sake of hating them (for whatever reasons).
Edited by Six Eight
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 02:41 |
porter wrote:
Maidenrulez, you hate Queen and in spite of all the things you said, you still don't bring a convincing argument about this hate. I guess it's a matter of personal taste in the end, and that's ok by me. BUT: I would just kindly ask of you not to be offensive with one of the greatest band who ever tread this earth. I find many questionable things in Iron Maiden, but I don't even dream of saying the same things about them as you said about Queen. It's a matter of respect and objectivity I guess. Thanks a lot. |
Ah well i have already created a Maiden hate thread....besides i repect Queen enough not to rate their albums 
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 02:43 |
Six Eight wrote:
It's pretty clear our thread starter can't be persuaded to like the band, even if Queen's earliest albums influenced the band that supposedly "rulez" from his name. But I would like to comment on a few things.
Most of the songs listed (at least, when spelled correctly) do rely on other instruments outside of the guitar, sure. So what? There are plenty of prog/rock songs that don't particularly rely on the guitar as the main instrument. Prog's most famous song, Carry on wayward son, is a pretty even mix of guitars and keyboard/piano. Many of Genesis's compositions in the Gabriel era had the guitar pulling equal weight with the other instruments, if not less. There's not a ton of guitar in VDGG's peak periods.
I like every single one of those songs (The invisible man is trying sometimes, but that's it). One of the best things about Queen was how they could make music in plenty of different ways. This is a good thing, in my eyes. Even if you don't like that fact, they have plenty of songs that have the guitar at the forefront too.
Everyone should have a couple of Queen songs that they like because of the wide range of styles they went through, not to mention different band members singing.
If there isn't, you're probably just hating them just for the sake of hating them (for whatever reasons).
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I like some Queen songs  But the general output of queen i really dislike because of its cheesyness...Besides this should be a thread for people that dislike Queen...not the fans
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 02:45 |
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Yeah, that's it, back out of it. You really started a thread to hate on
a band that's fairly popular around here and didn't expect any backlash?
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 02:48 |
Six Eight wrote:
Yeah, that's it, back out of it. You really started a thread to hate on a band that's fairly popular around here and didn't expect any backlash?
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Did not get any comments on my Maiden hate thread...a bit disapointing  I really wondered if there was anyone here that disliked Queen as much as i do...guess not then
Anyways i had to force myself through a entire 2 hour set of queen and have been hating them ever since....2 hours of horrible music can make anyone mad 
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 03:00 |
Citanul wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Logos wrote:
^ Not true.
It's very obviously more ROCK than POP.
And quite good rock too. |
Its not even rock...i would wish for it to be rock tho...nearly NO GUITARS
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Nearly NO GUITARS????? 
Are we still talking about Queen?
You know, the band with Brian May in?
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The guitar is only heard in very few songs...i was severly disapointed by queen as i actually was expecting guitar riffs...but that only happens every 2 or 3 songs
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A statement like this needs to be backed up with specific examples. Which Queen songs can you not hear the guitar in?
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John Deacon didn't want any guitar in Back chat, but Brian was persistent, so the only song that wasn't intended to have guitar in it has guitar in it (and a very good one too).
All Queen songs have guitar on them, ridiculous to state other wise
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 03:03 |
tuxon wrote:
Citanul wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Logos wrote:
^ Not true.
It's very obviously more ROCK than POP.
And quite good rock too. |
Its not even rock...i would wish for it to be rock tho...nearly NO GUITARS
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Nearly NO GUITARS?????
Are we still talking about Queen?
You know, the band with Brian May in?
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The guitar is only heard in very few songs...i was severly disapointed by queen as i actually was expecting guitar riffs...but that only happens every 2 or 3 songs
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A statement like this needs to be backed up with specific examples. Which Queen songs can you not hear the guitar in?
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John Deacon didn't want any guitar in Back chat, but Brian was persistent, so the only song that wasn't intended to have guitar in it has guitar in it (and a very good one too).
All Queen songs have guitar on them, ridiculous to state other wise
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Killer Queen-Mostly piano
Fat botommed girls-Guitars
Bicycle race-Mostly piano
Youre my best friend-Synth
Dont stop me now-Mostly piano
Save me-mostly piano
Now im here-Only realy domenant guitar song
Good old fashioned lover boy-Mostly piano
Play the game-Mostly piano
Flash-Mostly piano and synths
Seven seas of rhye-Mostly piano
A kind of magic--Mostly bass and synths
Radio Gaga-synths
I want to break free-synths
Its a hard life-Mostly piano
Who wants to live forever-Synths
The miracle-Mostly synths
Im going slightly mad-mostly synths
Invsible man-Bass and synths
The show must go on-Synths
On all these songs the guitar can be barely heard and is more of an backing instrument than a dominant song-driving instrument...ofcourse there are guitars in the songs but most of the songs it is easy to oversee as it is not very important for the songs
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 03:15 |
Listen the songs again dude
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 03:17 |
tuxon wrote:
Listen the songs again dude |
I can hear the guitars...BUT they are not very dominant in the songs like ordinary rock groups like Led Zeppelin, Rolling stones and Deep Purple...And that what i define as classic rock basically, a very dominant Guitar element where the Guitar is what drives the songs
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Posted: October 26 2005 at 03:57 |
maidenrulez wrote:
tuxon wrote:
Listen the songs again dude |
I can hear the guitars...BUT they are not very dominant in the songs
like ordinary rock groups like Led Zeppelin, Rolling stones and Deep
Purple...And that what i define as classic rock basically, a very
dominant Guitar element where the Guitar is what drives the songs |
But only about half the songs you listed are from their "classic rock"
period. And you've conveniently left out songs like Keep Yourself
Alive, Brighton Rock, Bohemian Rhapsody (OK, that one's more towards
the end rather than the whole song), It's Late, Tie Your Mother Down,
Stone Cold Crazy, Hammer To Fall and I Want It All, to name just a few.
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