Men only?

Blacksword wrote: Anyway if you want to make yourself more desirable to women get some tips from Snow Dog, he's been carrying on like a dog with two d!cks today!

Snow Dog has more women in his life than he knows what to do with...believe me; I've met 'em.... of course he labours under the misapprehension that he is the head of the house, but that's only because he is blissfully unaware of the amount of subtle manipulation he is under...

Garion81 wrote: Blacksword wrote: I dont know what the OC is, I'm a man I dont watch it!  Seriously, it's a sh!t American soap opera which focuses on the lives of physically beautiful but intensely hatefull and stupid young men and women in some predictable sunny seaside resort, probably in California. It's web of shallow relationships, surfing, and bitchy cat fights....I think...My ex used to watch it, but I wouldn't let her watch it in the living room because I thought it would be bad for our pet cats intellectual development!!   The "OC" is supposed to be based on Orange County, California.  It is the place Walt Disney made his kingdom, Where the Angels baseball team plays and the place the St Louis Rams moved from. It is called Orange County because at one time they had groves and groves of Orange trees. It is also my birthplace and I would never, ever move back there.  It is a place that has been taken over by non native Californians that drove the housing prices through the roof and they build on every square inch they can. Houses, Strip malls, and shopping malls as far as the eye can see.  They have ruined some of the most beautiful areas in Southern California like the canyons behind the hills and the hills of Laguna Beach with their stupid houses and stores. By the way for all of that the show has very little to do with life there. It is really, really bad televison.

Yeah, I figured there was a reality gap

Bob Greece wrote: Steve Hogarth of Marillion has been asking fans to take their girlfriends to concerts as he was tired of seeing just men. Why is it that prog appeals more to men than women?

Phil Collins made an interesting comment about this in Genesis' excellent "A History" video (find it if you can).

He said much of Genesis' 70s music was too complex for women, a bit sexist perhaps but who knows? Perhaps it's the adventurous imagry of much prog - knights, sci-fi, etc., which appeals more to men.

In the same way, "emotional" music like folk tends to appeal to women more.

fandango wrote: I am listening to Renaissance at the moment...(Scheherazade if you are interested...) and was wondering what the make up of their audiences used to be, genderwise... ....Blacksword, Peter, any ideas?

Cant say for sure, but I thought I should congratulate you on your fine taste!

I love that album so much at the moment, its gets played to death. I love the orchestrations, the piano playing the production, Haslams voice etc etc....superb..

Anyway, all I know is that every female acquaintence I have played Rennaisance to, has said they quite like it and regard it to be more folk than prog. I dont know where threefates is at the moment, but you may want to ask her, as I think she saw them live a few times.

fandango wrote: I am listening to Renaissance at the moment...(Scheherazade if you are interested...) and was wondering what the make up of their audiences used to be, genderwise... ....Blacksword, Peter, any ideas?

I saw them once.  They opened for Gentle Giant in 1976 in LA.  Hard to tell who was a Renaissance fan but they were well received.  The Male/Female split was about 60/40 unlike Prog conerts now that are real sausage fests. The only time there is a line in the mens bathroom. Worse than Football games.

^^^ Hi Blacksword, no I haven't, but those I have met who have been into Renaissance, felt that the band was synonymous with AH, and didn't rate the earlier stuff as highly...that seams to be borne out by site reviews here and elsewhere.

Of course, it would always be worth giving them a try if I see them around cheaply, but my album shopping list since joining this site has been launched into the stratosphere....

Blacksword wrote: fandango wrote: ^^^ Hi Blacksword, no I haven't, but those I have met who have been into Renaissance, felt that the band was synonymous with AH, and didn't rate the earlier stuff as highly...that seams to be borne out by site reviews here and elsewhere. Of course, it would always be worth giving them a try if I see them around cheaply, but my album shopping list since joining this site has been launched into the stratosphere.... Yeah, me too. I'm drowning in good music at the moment. I suppose there are worse ways to go! Relfs Rennaisance were a very different band as far as I can tell. Discovering them is low down on list of things to do.

may I suggest you trading in your blur and oasis albums (and most of your girlfriend's while she's out at work...) with a friendly second hand record dealer, somewhere near you?

RaphaelT wrote:   Forgive me this silly joke concerning Hogarth's saying, which started whole debate: Is Stephanie feeling alone at Marillion's gigs? And you claim that Renaissance works on ladies? Yay, I have recently presented a certain raven-haired with "Ashes Are Burning" !!

Blacksword's fave track apparently, we just wondered whether it would be appreciated by women in larger numbers than say, Grendel......it sounds like you are in agreement...

Borealis wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Bob Greece wrote: Steve Hogarth of Marillion has been asking fans to take their girlfriends to concerts as he was tired of seeing just men. Why is it that prog appeals more to men than women? What makes Hogarth think that Marillion fans have girlfriends?  That was my thought too. If he want to get girl, he should make music more... erh, less nerdy?

but he did that before, and look what happened...Cover My Eyes, No-one Can, Waiting To Happen & Dry Land!!

please don't wish a repeat of that on us again, just as they've managed to write 'Marbles'

I really don't believe that prog is strictly a male dominated genre. I've known several women(back in high school and recently in college) who love prog or prog related bands. My personal feeling is that it really depends on what form of music your parents bring you up on as a child. For example, I was exposed to prog at a very early age(when I was 13) by my mom, who was really into early Genesis/Peter Gabriel era(along with the later Phil Collins years), and I gradually fell in love with the band and began exploring other artists in the genre. But if, for example, I had been brought up in a household that supported rap music, I could have continued that enjoyment and would have ended up with a cd collection consisting of rap and hip hop(god forbid ) I forget what type of psychological term that adheres to, but it's some form of conditioning, I believe.

Maybe what we need is a whole new generation of parents exposing their children to prog?