No idea about that...

Why does pornography appeal more to men than women also?

Luckily there are exeptions to make a rule.

Because most women got terrible music taste and actual test show that Men are also more intelligent than women on average...

(KIDDING)

I dont know really it is perhaps the same reason why women does not find Half life, doom or other computer games appealing.

Now finding a woman that likes both computer games and prog that is surely a rareity.

(although i have managed getting a girl to like Porcupine tree, Yes and Jethro tull)

Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??

f**k off and die!!!

If Steve Hogarth wants chicks at his gigs he knows what he has to do. Have a hit single with a love song. It's what Genesis did with 'Follow You Follow Me' and after that they had to beat them off with a sh!tty stick, especially Banks!!

Woman are a complete mystery. Why so many women reject prog is beyond me, but then it's also a mystery why they take shoes so seriously, why they watch The OC and talk on the phone for ages to people they are going to see in 20 minutes anyway.

As you know, Bob, I know some women who like some prog, my ex-was a massive Rush fan, and the friend I've been telling you about, of course, but she is a bit odd. They are few and far between.

Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!!

 do you have to offend every single person here?

Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!!

Hmm these througoutly intelligent discussions where the reason why i left the iron maiden forum.

Anyways you might have blowed your argument

maidenrulez wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!! Hmm these througoutly intelligent discussions where the reason why i left the iron maiden forum. Anyways you might have blowed your argument

'Anyway, you may have Blown your argument'

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!!  do you have to offend every single person here?

he started, if he thought i woulnd't reply he must have been nut.

maidenrulez wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!! Hmm these througoutly intelligent discussions where the reason why i left the iron maiden forum. Anyways you might have blowed your argument

think what you wrote, read it again and again, think about it and delete that post.

Blacksword wrote: maidenrulez wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: because men are smarter? because you stink??   f**k off and die!!! Hmm these througoutly intelligent discussions where the reason why i left the iron maiden forum. Anyways you might have blowed your argument 'Blown your argument'

Heh typo i am always afraid of typing something wrong in a forum and i try to check it out before i post it but there is always some kind of wrong connection in my brain that makes me type something that is incredibly stupid and obviously wrong...

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: think what you wrote, read it again and again, think about it and delete that post. Delete yourself

that topic proves that men aren't smarter than women... and definitely you are not.

Trouserpress wrote: Luke, have you noticed that you ruin every thread you post on?

it's not my fault some people have no sense of humor and they find amusement in bashing me here but only thing i can do is to laugh.

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: that topic proves that men aren't smarter than women... and definitely you are not. Ahh.. it's nice to know that a Polish guy who doesn't even know how to write proper English knows how intelligent I am.

i'm doing fine crazy man. you're from Finland and you dare to tell me how to write in English? just f**k yourself.

Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke, have you noticed that you ruin every thread you post on? it's not my fault some people have no sense of humor and they find amusement in bashing me here but only thing i can do is to laugh. F*ck off and die is not humor...

it might be. it depends

Trouserpress wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke, have you noticed that you ruin every thread you post on? it's not my fault some people have no sense of humor and they find amusement in bashing me here but only thing i can do is to laugh. Are you suggesting I have no sense of humour?

i don't know , maybe you have... but from what i see most of people here don't have

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: i'm doing fine crazy man. you're from Finland and you dare to tell me how to write in English? just f**k yourself. And apart from the bad English you really can't control your temper.

my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better.

Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke, have you noticed that you ruin every thread you post on? it's not my fault some people have no sense of humor and they find amusement in bashing me here but only thing i can do is to laugh. F*ck off and die is not humor...   it might be. it depends On what?

if you have guts or if you don't have them

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better. So how come you made two grammar mistakes in that little post of yours?

so where are the mistakes?

Trouserpress wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke, have you noticed that you ruin every thread you post on? it's not my fault some people have no sense of humor and they find amusement in bashing me here but only thing i can do is to laugh. Are you suggesting I have no sense of humour? i don't know , maybe you have... but from what i see most of people here don't have That's where you're wrong. You see, you've somehow confused humour with winding people up, sprouting unsubstatiated and often misguided opinions at random, throwing yourself into petty and pointless arguments and hurling random abuse at well-meaning individuals. You add nothing to discussions and tend to leave what was a once intelligent thread in tatters and the people involved angry and bitter. It's people like you who make posting on Prog Archives a miserable experience and the sooner you are ejected the better. In short, you are a c**t.

and you're a**wipe that's quite plain to me after what you wrote.

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better. So how come you made two grammar mistakes in that little post of yours? so where are the mistakes? You don't seem to know articles. But anyway, this subject isn't really relevant...

where are those mistakes dammit? tell me what i have spelled wrong.

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better. So how come you made two grammar mistakes in that little post of yours? so where are the mistakes? You don't seem to know articles. But anyway, this subject isn't really relevant... where are those mistakes dammit? tell me what i have spelled wrong. "Once I was on Beatles forum" .. That's one mistake right there. Where's the a ? And the another one is "I even won competition" , same thing with that.

hahahahhaha is that all? man i'm too lazy to put every single letter in sentence. but seriously i know i should put that a but it's nothing drasticly incorrect. bugger it.... let's better don't fight abou it.

Ricochet wrote: Velvetclown wrote: Women got smaller brains  Size doesn't matter...

please accept my sympathy

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: hahahahhaha is that all? man i'm too lazy to put every single letter in sentence. but seriously i know i should put that a but it's nothing drasticly incorrect. bugger it.... let's better don't fight abou it. I was only proving a point. You said you're English is as good as mine. A mistake is a mistake. But as I said, it's irrelevant..

you're lucky that i'm lazy cos i'd check out your posts in search for mistakes. i'm sure i'd find couple. but let's not talk about it cos it becomes more and more pathetic.

Ricochet wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: think what you wrote, read it again and again, think about it and delete that post. Delete yourself Now,now,Logos,that's up to Mr.Maani...

I think it won't be long now...

Ricochet wrote: Luke wrote: Ricochet wrote: Velvetclown wrote: Women got smaller brains  Size doesn't matter...   please accept my sympathy Humor,I believe...

don't belive just read

Blacksword wrote: If Steve Hogarth wants chicks at his gigs he knows what he has to do. Have a hit single with a love song. It's what Genesis did with 'Follow You Follow Me' and after that they had to beat them off with a sh!tty stick, especially Banks!!

If my memory serves me right, they attracted a substantial (although albeit brief) female following after they released 'Cover My Eyes', 'No-one Can' and 'Dry Land' as singles off Holidays...so you are absolutely right...not only does he know what to do, he has also done it before...(saints preserve us...)

Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better. So how come you made two grammar mistakes in that little post of yours? so where are the mistakes? You don't seem to know articles. But anyway, this subject isn't really relevant... where are those mistakes dammit? tell me what i have spelled wrong. "Once I was on Beatles forum" .. That's one mistake right there. Where's the a ? And the another one is "I even won competition" , same thing with that.

You could also mention the lack of capital letters at the start of sentences.

Trouserpress wrote: Bob Greece wrote: Steve Hogarth of Marillion has been asking fans to take their girlfriends to concerts as he was tired of seeing just men. Why is it that prog appeals more to men than women? What makes Hogarth think that Marillion fans have girlfriends?

...this one certainly hasn't...he got dumped last night...

chopper wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: Logos wrote: Luke wrote: my English is better than yours. once i was on Beatles forum and i even won competition for the best Beatles related poem, so you're wrong about my English. yours is not better. So how come you made two grammar mistakes in that little post of yours? so where are the mistakes? You don't seem to know articles. But anyway, this subject isn't really relevant... where are those mistakes dammit? tell me what i have spelled wrong. "Once I was on Beatles forum" .. That's one mistake right there. Where's the a ? And the another one is "I even won competition" , same thing with that. You could also mention the lack of capital letters at the start of sentences.

if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute.

Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute.

"If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute."

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute. "If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute."

you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to.

Luke wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute. "If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute." you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to.

I'll leave it to Mike to correct the spelling mistake in that one!

Luke wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute. "If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute." you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to.

that, my young polish friend, is nothing to be proud of....

chopper wrote: Luke wrote: you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to. I'll leave it to Mike to correct the spelling mistake in that one!

I won't bother to change it, because it will undoubtedly spark another error-prone response.

anyway...wasn't this thread meant to be about women? 

I'm starting to feel short changed....can I have my money back?

chopper wrote: Luke wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute. "If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute." you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to. I'll leave it to Mike to correct the spelling mistake in that one!

 "don't be so pedantic" (guess who said that?) besides i wonder how many foreign languages you know.

fandango wrote: Luke wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: if you got The Final Cut you can see lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. that's my tribute. "If you've got The Final Cut you can see a lack of capital letters everywhere on the cover. That's my tribute." you must know that "if you got" was intented. it's more American English that i'm closer to. that, my young polish friend, is nothing to be proud of....

and i'm proud of... i have seen how your countrymen wrote "things i didn't said" so it's real shame not that me Polish guy does some 'lil mistakes.

I'm not so sure that Hogarth is entirely correct.  I went to see The Church recently and the audience was about 25% women, maybe more.  Same at the last Yes concert I attended.  Same with Floyd.

However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value.

Peace.

maani wrote: I'm not so sure that Hogarth is entirely correct.  I went to see The Church recently and the audience was about 25% women, maybe more.  Same at the last Yes concert I attended.  Same with Floyd. However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value. Peace.

in other words...most prog music stimulates different parts of the brain to Barry White...

gdub411 wrote: I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here.

You didn't read the other threads, did you?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: gdub411 wrote: I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here. You didn't read the other threads, did you?

all the same, I hope he's given a second chance in due course, after a bit of a talking too...

maani wrote: However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value.

You're right that women seem to be more in touch with emotions. As to men being more intellectual, the postings on this thread indicate the opposite.

I was thinking that a few women prog fans would give an answer in this thread but it seems that there aren't any here!

MikeEnRegalia wrote: gdub411 wrote: I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here. You didn't read the other threads, did you?

I have read some of the other threads and he's a bit of an antagonist, but he didn't show pics of penis's, threaten to kill people , or fill his posts with tons of vulgarity.

I have been naughtier than Luke in the past as well as VC and Tony R. We're still all here. This place has become too sensitive and people need to develop thicker skin.

maani wrote: I'm not so sure that Hogarth is entirely correct.  I went to see The Church recently and the audience was about 25% women, maybe more.  Same at the last Yes concert I attended.  Same with Floyd. However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value. Peace.

I guess it's easy to say women like love songs and men like songs about wizards and spaceships. I guess it all depends on how you are 'wired up' as an individual.

I find good prog rock extremely emotional, the intellectual side of it is secondary. But then what I find emotional is not what the 'masses' find emotional. There are few 'love songs' I like, and the ones I do will be a bit 'odd'

gdub:

In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.

Peace.

maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace.

There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.

maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace.

if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site isn't a free-for-all? 

After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly more unpleasant..

gdub411 wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.

hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need.....

fandango wrote: gdub411 wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani. hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need.....

Yeah,,,perhaps I should be booted out,,,eh?

gdub411 wrote: fandango wrote: gdub411 wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani. hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need..... Yeah,,,perhaps I should be booted out,,,eh?

I'd really hope not, Gdub...the site would be all the poorer for your absence...

Ricochet wrote: fandango wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site isn't a free-for-all?  After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly more unpleasant.. What guarantee do we have?I don't think a gesture of ban can change a person's mentality,especially Luke's...

I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool.

To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...) about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but I didn't get booted out, and am grateful...

Ricochet wrote: And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter...

Of course the situation would not have escalated like that if noone had replied to this foolish statement ... but "don't feed the troll" is a rule that's easy to forget.

fandango wrote: gdub411 wrote: fandango wrote: gdub411 wrote: maani wrote: gdub: In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines.  Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups. Peace. There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani. hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need..... Yeah,,,perhaps I should be booted out,,,eh? I'd really hope not, Gdub...the site would be all the poorer for your absence...

Worry not for me. I have many allies here. While I have no power here I still have my backers(as well as my detractors.) Its just that all that has happened recently on this site has left a bad taste in my mouth. Maani and I have butted heads before and I am not all to partial with his viewpoint of my lifestyle choices. We will never be friends on this site.

I agree with maani: Prog is too intellectual for women. Not that they wouldn't be capable of composing prog music, but they don#t seem to be interested in it.

Think about it: How many female prog COMPOSERS do you know?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I agree with maani: Prog is too intellectual for women. Not that they wouldn't be capable of composing prog music, but they don#t seem to be interested in it. Think about it: How many female prog COMPOSERS do you know?

somehow I think it comes down to behaviour patterns rather than intellect...for instance, blokes are generally better at reading maps/ storing useless info/ insistant on putting their Cds into order/ taking an interest in traction & railway engines etc, etc...prog can be highly technical first, then emotional second...

Luke got kicked out out?!

Ow, what a surprise... But leave the polish aspect out of it, ok?

But what exactly did he do?

Bob Greece wrote: maani wrote: However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall.  Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value. You're right that women seem to be more in touch with emotions. As to men being more intellectual, the postings on this thread indicate the opposite. I was thinking that a few women prog fans would give an answer in this thread but it seems that there aren't any here!

Here I am.... even though the path the discussion took right from the beginning sort of put me off for a while. BTW, I really think it all comes down to individuals rather than gender. Maybe I'm more the intellectual type, but I've always hated with a passion the kind of music women are usually supposed to like - while my brother, for instance, quite likes conventional pop music and would die at a Yes gig!

Then again, I don't really think prog is not emotional. It is just a different way of conveying emotion. I don't dislike love songs as a rule, but they have to be somehow 'different' from run-of-the-mill chart stuff. To make an example, I love Greg Lake's ballads but I hate Phil Collins' poppier songs on SEbtP and W&W - maybe because Collins' voice reminds me of his later, hideous chart hits, while Lake's has a proggier quality.

Ow.. and btw... I heard that wemen are actually more inteligent then men!

But Men have this exploring sence (if that makes any sence)... Notice that most inventores are male (did I spell that complicated word right? I dident win a beatles contest, You know...)

And of course, men are god damn lazy bastards!!!! (well, at least polish men)

gdub:

For the record, the policy of the site is "two strikes, you're out"; i.e., you get one warning, and if your behavior, "approach" or attitude don't change, you get ejected.  This policy has been very effective in preventing the site from "gathering trolls," and maintaining at least some semblance of reasonable discourse.

As an aside, of the half dozen or so members who were ejected and then "given a second chance," five had to be re-ejected within 48 hours; only one actually "changed his tune."  (And no, I'm not telling you who...).

Yes, it is true that many others - including yourself - often "toe the line," sometimes precariously.  However, the admin team measures all behavior of the member, not just one or two comments.  Thus, while you - and, yes, others - may "cross the line" on occasion, that is weighed against your general approach and demeanor, which, as far as I have seen, may be occasionally "combative," but still well within the site guidelines.  With Luke, he was consistently sarcastic and demeaning, and contributed little or nothing of value to this discussion - or, indeed, elsewhere.

Ricochet:

I should note that, as someone else pointed out, your comment was "out of line," and definitely didn't help the situation: "feeding the troll" is an apt metaphor.  Please try to refrain from such unnecessary baiting in the future.  Thanks.

Peace.

First of all, this is a interesting thread TOTALLY RUINED, not just by Luke but of all you who couldn't just ignore him.

It is stated that men and women see things in different points of view, but no one is smarter because of sex.

Women seems generally less interested in nerd-things. Prog listeners are all music-nerds?

To get a real discussion of this we need women attending the thread, which means the question has to be questioned at another forum.

Yep, this "Men Only" thread went to the off-topic quite fast...

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I agree with maani: Prog is too intellectual for women. Not that they wouldn't be capable of composing prog music, but they don#t seem to be interested in it. Think about it: How many female prog COMPOSERS do you know?

I can only think of Kate Bush and perhaps Tori Amos who fall slightly into the prog camp. As a rule, prog music requires a number of talented musicians working together and women in music tend to work solo. Not to say that there aren't any talented women musicians around.

Ricochet wrote: fandango wrote: I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool. To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...) about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but I didn't get booted out, and am grateful... Yes,I can say I was one of his main targets in debate when he said yes and I said no or vice-versa...Everyone needs a second chance...He should think over this period that he is banned and if he return to change his atitude... And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter...

I find myself on the opposite side of the fence from you on this one Riccy.  I've said far worse about women in many of my posts, and can only assume he meant it as a joke.  You also said that women are smarter than men.  Does that mean people should attack you for that statement?  As to who started it, I think both of you had a hand in the escalation.  I will agree that him telling you to "f off" was inappropriate.  But if everyone here who has ever made a provocative post is summarily ejected, I'm sure there would only be like five people left in this forum.  I have not read any of his other posts in other threads, but nothing in this thread seemed to warrant his removal.  And it leaves me wondering, who is next on the chopping block: me, Tony R, gdub? 

Can't we all just agree to not get along?

Oh, and I have a question for Maani.  Assuming his other posts really did warrant expulsion, was he given any warning that his conduct was violating the rules of the forum and that if he did not change his behavior he would be ejected?  Or was he just ejected without warning?  Oops.  I posted before I read all of the posts.  You do give warnings.  Fair enough.