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eugene 
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Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
 Topic: rating with no reviewPosted: August 27 2005 at 16:36 |
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My categorical opinion is that ratings without review should not be allowed on this site. The reason for this suggestion arised from my recent negative experience of how misleading unsupported rating can be. I was contemplating to purchase the album by unknown to me German band Inquire. The album in question is their latest masterpiece "Melancholia". After having checked this site, and having found one rating of one star, I dropped an idea to buy the album. Luckily on later stage I was persuaded by friend, who bought it, to have a listen. And I was totally amazed by how brilliant this work is. Now I proudly own this CD, and it is my latest favorite along with two albums by Taal. If rating should be low in someone's opinion - that's fine with me (I am myself giving lots of 1 star ratings), but same should be supported by at least 50 words review with the name of reviewer on it. In this case I would probably recognise that this album is very worth listening to. Unsupported anonymous opinions on websites like this one are just ruining the idea of the site. Your thoughts, please |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:39 |
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Agreed ... look at this album's ratings: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=7372 Three reviews (two by collaborators), all 4 stars. yet the average rating is 3.25 ... because one person rated the album 1 star without stating why. This is like a punch in the face for EVERYBODY who puts a lot of time into writing reviews.
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omri
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 1250 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:41 |
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Can you do that ? I thought you must review with atleast 50 words.
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bumheed7
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Joined: March 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:42 |
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yeah. i want to rate albums but i dont have the intellect or time to
write them so i dont bother. i just leave it to those who want to give
it the thought and time it should be given.
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Good Morning Carpark Fans
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:43 |
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As soon as you enter something, it must be at least 50 words ... but if you leave the textarea blank ... no problem. It really sucks. |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:03 |
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I have been saying this for quite some time now. Apparently the Admin are "reviewing" the situation.
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ShaggyMcShagg7
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Joined: April 03 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 83 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:07 |
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Good idea.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:08 |
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The main reason for allowing "empty" reviews is to enable people with poor language skills to rate albums. But the least that could be done to improve the situation is to list the ratings among the reviews, with the user name and date of the rating. |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:17 |
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Yes, I know this, its still a problem though! |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:21 |
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Of course ... I made a suggestion a while ago: Add a checkbox that allows people to decide whether their review should be published or not. So they could write a few sentences which would only be visible for admins, to help them to determine whether the reviewer listened to the album or not. I didn't get any feedback ... maybe this will be implemented in the new version of the archives. |
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King of Loss
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:23 |
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Well, this was bound to happen, because some people are just so immature!
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slipperman
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:49 |
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[/QUOTE] Of course ... I made a suggestion a while ago: Add a checkbox that allows people to decide whether their review should be published or not. So they could write a few sentences which would only be visible for admins, to help them to determine whether the reviewer listened to the album or not. I didn't get any feedback ... maybe this will be implemented in the new version of the archives. [/QUOTE]
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...it is real...it is Rael...
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slipperman
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:52 |
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UH...S-L-A-G is vulgar??? In which language?
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...it is real...it is Rael...
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cobb
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 00:00 |
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Yours apparently - it is an american site |
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slipperman
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 00:09 |
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not at all, it's a completely acceptable word. It's origin is "the scoriaceous lava from a volcano" (from Webster's). So even if it is used in a slang-y fashion, as I did above, it can't possibly be considered grossly vulgar. But whatever, not important, let's get back to the subject at hand...
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...it is real...it is Rael...
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 03:02 |
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See this: http://www.erinhart.com/glossary.htm The only "vulgar" definition that I could find ... |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:40 |
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Just to clarify, reviews with less than 50 words are accepted, they just don't appear on the reviews pages. They are effectively treated as ratings without reviews.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:44 |
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And just why are ratings without reviews not listed on the reviews pages? It's not fair to all the people who bothered to write a review. If a single 1 star rating eithout review was listed among a series of elaborate 5 star reviews, people could put the 1 star rating into proper relation. |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:48 |
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Let's take for example me writing a review on "Foxtrot",saying: "I like it...it is good" 6 words and a five-star rating,would you post that on the front page?  I agree with EL,reviews have to have a decent substance within to be published on the main page... |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21599 |
Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:52 |
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I'm not talking about the front page - I'm talking about the album page, where you go to find out all about the album. Currently you only see a part of the ratings ... it would be an enormous help for me to see who made these reviewless ratings. I suspect that it's only a small number of people who make these ratings. |
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omri wrote:
I think that is a freaking excellent idea. You can tell which reviewers are either 1) out to sl*g a band quickly, mercilessly and without having actually listened to or owned the album, or 2) downloading a song or two and acting as if they've heard and known the album well enough to review it. Either scenario is lame. I hate to see the integrity of all the other great reviewers dragged down by a few. And I hate to see the quality of this site coming down because of these sorts of reviews. I wonder how feasible it is to implement the above idea...?