rating with no review
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Topic: rating with no review
Posted By: eugene
Subject: rating with no review
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:36
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My categorical opinion is that ratings without review should not be allowed on this site. The reason for this suggestion arised from my recent negative experience of how misleading unsupported rating can be. I was contemplating to purchase the album by unknown to me German band Inquire. The album in question is their latest masterpiece "Melancholia". After having checked this site, and having found one rating of one star, I dropped an idea to buy the album. Luckily on later stage I was persuaded by friend, who bought it, to have a listen. And I was totally amazed by how brilliant this work is. Now I proudly own this CD, and it is my latest favorite along with two albums by Taal. If rating should be low in someone's opinion - that's fine with me (I am myself giving lots of 1 star ratings), but same should be supported by at least 50 words review with the name of reviewer on it. In this case I would probably recognise that this album is very worth listening to. Unsupported anonymous opinions on websites like this one are just ruining the idea of the site. Your thoughts, please ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:39
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Agreed ... look at this album's ratings: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7372 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=7372 Three reviews (two by collaborators), all 4 stars. yet the average rating is 3.25 ... because one person rated the album 1 star without stating why. This is like a punch in the face for EVERYBODY who puts a lot of time into writing reviews.
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:41
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Can you do that ? I thought you must review with atleast 50 words. ------------- omri |
Posted By: bumheed7
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:42
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yeah. i want to rate albums but i dont have the intellect or time to
write them so i dont bother. i just leave it to those who want to give
it the thought and time it should be given.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:43
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As soon as you enter something, it must be at least 50 words ... but if you leave the textarea blank ... no problem. It really sucks. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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omri wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:03
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I have been saying this for quite some time now. Apparently the Admin are "reviewing" the situation. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: ShaggyMcShagg7
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:07
| Good idea. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:08
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The main reason for allowing "empty" reviews is to enable people with poor language skills to rate albums. But the least that could be done to improve the situation is to list the ratings among the reviews, with the user name and date of the rating. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:17
Yes, I know this, its still a problem though! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:21
Of course ... I made a suggestion a while ago: Add a checkbox that allows people to decide whether their review should be published or not. So they could write a few sentences which would only be visible for admins, to help them to determine whether the reviewer listened to the album or not. I didn't get any feedback ... maybe this will be implemented in the new version of the archives. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:23
Well, this was bound to happen, because some people are just so immature! 
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Posted By: slipperman
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:49
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[/QUOTE] Of course ... I made a suggestion a while ago: Add a checkbox that allows people to decide whether their review should be published or not. So they could write a few sentences which would only be visible for admins, to help them to determine whether the reviewer listened to the album or not. I didn't get any feedback ... maybe this will be implemented in the new version of the archives. [/QUOTE]
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I think that is a freaking excellent idea. You can tell which reviewers are either 1) out to sl*g a band quickly, mercilessly and without having actually listened to or owned the album, or 2) downloading a song or two and acting as if they've heard and known the album well enough to review it. Either scenario is lame. I hate to see the integrity of all the other great reviewers dragged down by a few. And I hate to see the quality of this site coming down because of these sorts of reviews. I wonder how feasible it is to implement the above idea...?Posted By: slipperman
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:52
UH...S-L-A-G is vulgar??? In which language?  ------------- ...it is real...it is Rael... |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 00:00
Yours apparently - it is an american site |
Posted By: slipperman
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 00:09
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not at all, it's a completely acceptable word. It's origin is "the scoriaceous lava from a volcano" (from Webster's). So even if it is used in a slang-y fashion, as I did above, it can't possibly be considered grossly vulgar. But whatever, not important, let's get back to the subject at hand... ------------- ...it is real...it is Rael... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 03:02
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See this: http://www.erinhart.com/glossary.htm - http://www.erinhart.com/glossary.htm The only "vulgar" definition that I could find ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:40
| Just to clarify, reviews with less than 50 words are accepted, they just don't appear on the reviews pages. They are effectively treated as ratings without reviews. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:44
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And just why are ratings without reviews not listed on the reviews pages? It's not fair to all the people who bothered to write a review. If a single 1 star rating eithout review was listed among a series of elaborate 5 star reviews, people could put the 1 star rating into proper relation. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:48
Let's take for example me writing a review on "Foxtrot",saying: "I like it...it is good" 6 words and a five-star rating,would you post that on the front page?  I agree with EL,reviews have to have a decent substance within to be published on the main page...------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:52
I'm not talking about the front page - I'm talking about the album page, where you go to find out all about the album. Currently you only see a part of the ratings ... it would be an enormous help for me to see who made these reviewless ratings. I suspect that it's only a small number of people who make these ratings. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:59
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I've already indicated I personally support your proposal that ratings only reviews should not be accepted. The decision on whether or not to included them (or how to treat them if they are accepted) lies with the site owners, Rony & mailto:M@X - M@X . |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 09:59
This is correct, in Britain the word sl*g is well known as a woman who sleeps around! Very common word, but not that bad to say in speech. There are far worse words.. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 10:02
I think that the procedure is correct,that category does not ask you for your opinion,or a short commentary,but for a review,which by definition,has to contain a larger amount of information and presentation than a normal opinion... -------------
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 12:56
| I don't see the problem with foreign language reviews, so long as they could be filtered out for we ignorant people who only speak one language. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 14:22
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Goose, the problem with reviews not in English is moderating them. How do we know if they comply with the guidelines? I readily admit the word "ignorant" is entirely valid, but we are where we are. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 14:38
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EL: I still don't see why my approach wouldn't work:
This would be VERY easy to implement, and it's quite compatible with how the system works now. I admit that I'm very curious to see who made all those 1 star rating for the prog metal masterpieces ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:03
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Mike, I agree I agree I agree!!!!! See my post above, it ain't my call! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:06
^  so let's wait and see what happens ... maybe our "prayers" will be heard.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:20
The language seem to be a priority for you, but, honestly, I do not see any problem with a review in a foreign language. A good review in another language is a lot of time better than no review. It might also motivate more people (such as me) to write reviews if they do not feel comfortable enough with their english. And then, it will help some people who are in difficulty with english to understand better the reviewing, and might even bring more people to the site. And I would push it further, and force to write for over 150 words. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:57
Yeah, but what if someone from (for example) China decided to write a review in his native language? No one would probably understand it. How could we be sure that he wrote anything about the music? ------------- 
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 17:15
I can't really answer to that, but I doubt this would really happen... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |