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hdfisch 
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 Topic: Can it be Prog if I like it at 1st listen
Posted: August 27 2005 at 20:52 |
Maybe a really stupid question to all Progfans around, but might be a basic one: Can an album called a real Prog one, if I like it immediately at the very first listening? I came to this idea listening to the new OPETH output and I've to say, I liked it immediately, as well their previous one, which was in fact quite different from this one. I've to admit, I didn't listen much to their other albums although I've got them all in my collection, only once each and I found all of them not that captivating in the beginning. Although they still use the growling death metal vocals on the new one, I don't find it that much disturbing (although usually I don't favour such vocs). But overall it's very very versatile (maybe that's the reason I like it immediately). I'm currently trying to get into really experimental stuff like Captain Beefheart - Lick My Decals Off, Baby (uploaded by Joren,thanks!), Doctor Nerve -Skin or Centipede - Septober Energy, but although being aware that all that stuff needs definitely several listens for digging it, I've to say that those albums don't give me one tiny hint for another listening, it's just too far out (of my mind   )! I like a lot of intricate music right from the first (or second) listen, but especially some really experimental and adventurious music just fails to hit my attraction. On the other hand there are really some here around considering more or less pop rock bands (I'm counting most of NeoProg and many Art Rock ones as such) as Prog (with CAPS P) what I can't follow at all. To come to a conclusion:
I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE WHAT'S PROG OR NOT!
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 20:56 |
Can an album called a real Prog one, if I like it immediately at the very first listening?
.................Yes.........nothing else to say
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Fantômas
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:00 |
What the f**k? 
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And above all, is punk 
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hdfisch
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:09 |
You're just repeating my question!
 OldFatherThames wrote:
Can an album called a real Prog one, if I like it immediately at the very first listening?
.................Yes.........nothing else to say |
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To be prog or not to be, that's not the question!
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cobb
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:20 |
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Of course progressive music can be accessible on first listen. By my
experience, though, the ones that need time are the ones I treasure the
most. Take your example- Opeth - I liked it first time as well, but I
know it won't get played as much in the future as say, pig farm on the
moon. The ones I really like (as compared to ones that intrigue me) on
first listen are usually the ones that I tire of easily. This doesn't
make them not prog.
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Borealis
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:24 |
Yes... It got more chance to be pop (and probably is popier) but I doubt it is intantly pop music. I liked Tago Mago the first time I herd it, and I doubt it is pop...
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Vive le Québec libre!...
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hdfisch
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:32 |
That's exactly the experience I made. Usually the stuff I like at once I'll not listen many times later on.So stuff like Opeth might be some kind of "easy-listening"-Prog, but what about some stuff that's supposed to be very highly rated Prog and I find it completely boring (I don't mean NeoProg) and not inviting me for a further investigation? 
cobb wrote:
Of course progressive music can be accessible on first listen. By my experience, though, the ones that need time are the ones I treasure the most. Take your example- Opeth - I liked it first time as well, but I know it won't get played as much in the future as say, pig farm on the moon. The ones I really like (as compared to ones that intrigue me) on first listen are usually the ones that I tire of easily. This doesn't make them not prog. |
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hdfisch
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:39 |
I liked this one as well at the first listen,maybe it's their best accessible one.I failed to like any other album by CAN (and I listened to couple by them several times). Think Krautrock is just not "my cup of tea" (as is "Post-Rock" or "Indo-Prog" (apart of Quintessence) or Electronic Prog).
Borealis wrote:
Yes... It got more chance to be pop (and probably is popier) but I doubt it is intantly pop music. I liked Tago Mago the first time I herd it, and I doubt it is pop... |
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To be prog or not to be, that's not the question!
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cobb
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:40 |
hdfisch wrote:
That's exactly the experience I made. Usually the stuff
I like at once I'll not listen many times later on.So stuff like Opeth
might be some kind of "easy-listening"-Prog, but what about some stuff
that's supposed to be very highly rated Prog and I find it completely
boring (I don't mean NeoProg) and not inviting me for a further
investigation? |
Just a matter of personal taste. Some things just bore me as well. No
two proggers have the same taste in progressive music. That's why we
love it so much. It isn't like punk or metal, where all the songs run
to basically the same formula. There is a wealth of different sounds,
techniques and styles with the progressive genre. I doubt whether there
are any here who like all the styles.
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Biggles
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:41 |
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From my experience, the first time you listen to progressive music in general you have to get used to it. If you listen to and end up liking a particularly challenging album, like say Larks' Tongues in Aspic or Close to the Edge, after that it becomes much easier to like other prog music. I liked Dream Theater's "Metropolis Part 2" and Jethro Tull's "A Passion Play" albums from the first moment I heard them, but that was because I'd already been listening to complex music for a while.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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hdfisch
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:45 |
I can't find both of them that complex!(Maybe for APP I can understand, but for Metropolis?
Biggles wrote:
From my experience, the first time you listen to progressive music in general you have to get used to it. If you listen to and end up liking a particularly challenging album, like say Larks' Tongues in Aspic or Close to the Edge, after that it becomes much easier to like other prog music. I liked Dream Theater's "Metropolis Part 2" and Jethro Tull's "A Passion Play" albums from the first moment I heard them, but that was because I'd already been listening to complex music for a while. |
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To be prog or not to be, that's not the question!
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Nipsey88
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 22:00 |
Is it prog if you like it the first time?
Absolutely not.
Love of prog must be earned like six-pack abs or an Olympic medal.
I never said it was gonna be easy... 
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cobb
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 22:06 |
Nipsey88 wrote:
Is it prog if you like it the first time?
Absolutely not.
Love of prog must be earned like six-pack abs or an Olympic medal.
I never said it was gonna be easy...
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Of course it is Nipsey. You have deadwing as your avatar- that was certainly likeable on first listen.
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Biggles
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 22:18 |
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It's called a joke, cobb.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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cobb
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 22:20 |
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Sorry Nipsey... I'm a bit slow on subtlety
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Nipsey88
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 22:33 |
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Nipsey88
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:21 |
Oh and by the way, I did like Deadwing on first listen. 
Once you decide that you will no longer place boundaries on what music
you will or will not enjoy, I believe that the possibility exists for
any music to be instantly appreciated. Whether or not all intricacies
of truly complex progressive music can be adequately sussed on the
first listen is certainly subject to debate though.
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Fritha
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 10:49 |
Can't claim to have exactly loved any prog records on the first listening. I would say that for me the most crucial period of listening takes place between the second and fifth time -if I still don't like the record by the fifth time I hear it, the chances of really growing to love it seem fairly slim. Not much empirical evidence yet to support this theory of mine but Relayer is the one example so far. What can I say, I have been lucky with my prog purchases! (*knocks on the wood just in case*)
Then there are records that I'm pretty certain I won't like any better with further listenings. (Images and Words -which a friend gave me- comes readily to mind, though I did give the record a second chance recently, out of kindness  No dice.) Yet I do try to listen to all the records I get and buy several times, with perhaps a lengthy pause in between. Occasinally the passing of time works wonders on one's ears...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 10:59 |
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I liked both Lizard and Tales from topographic Oceans on first listen..
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 12:12 |
simple answer: yes
complicated answer: yes, but KC's dissonance can be a bit challenging
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