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maani
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 09:59 |
Actually, he does smile quite a bit in person. In fact, he is very different in person from his "professional" persona.
Peace.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 10:30 |
Fripps downright busting up on the cover of Sylvian & Fripp "The First Day."
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Dennis
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 10:54 |
FRIPP IS A BASTARD! I think he hates and loathes his fans so much that his face shows the pain he endures while becoming richer from us. Belva is right, Fripp is full of himself. I used to read his diary on the old DGM web site, and could not believe how he constantly chided and belittled most of his admiring fans. I used to email another Crimson fan, and expressed my feelings about him in a personal message, not knowing that the said person had a friend who personally knew Fripp. My email was forwarded to Fripp, and low and behold he exposed my personal message (never meant to be shared) to the world when he replied on his web site about it. It was extra nasty, and I believe I hit home with some valid points about his flawed personallity. He thinks he is a victum of his fans, and himself as an intellectual. He is not a humble or friendly man to the people who have made him rich. Face it Robert, if you are good, you are going to be photographed and bootleged. The tension he creates doesn't sit well with many of us. YES, he is a unique and a master guitarist, plus a prog-rock pioneer, no doubt! And YES, he does have the right to be the way he is, but his attitude is a real turn-off for me. When you become an international celebrity, you take risks, sorry that's just the way life is. I have always been in awe of his talent, but think much less of him now. It's harder for me to purchase expensive concert tickets and new music from him or Crimson, knowing that he doesn't appreciate his loyal fans. I believe his intellectual match his his old Crim partner Peter Sinfield. Sinfield used to post a quite humourous web site page of an extrordinary and long argument between Fripp and himself. It made me smile because Sinfield had some equally intense stabs and jabs at old Bobby. I highly doubt you will ever see them work together ever again. Go see the 21st Century Schizoid Band if you miss the old Crimson. I saw them on their last US tour show last year and they were fantastic, and proved that they didn't need Fripp at all. Fripp IS NOT King Crimson, just part of it, and the real essense of Crimson lies with the Schizoid Band. And I don't think Fripp is hurting from the photos or bootlegs either. He has a comfortable mansion with Toyah.
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:00 |
Hey dennis could I read how Fripp exposed your message, you made me curious....... do you know if he did a face lift?
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:01 |
I mean, when did you do it Dennis?
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:08 |
In Italy, where else ???
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:16 |
Dennis wrote:
FRIPP IS A BASTARD! I think he hates and loathes his fans so much that his face shows the pain he endures while becoming richer from us. Belva is right, Fripp is full of himself. I used to read his diary on the old DGM web site, and could not believe how he constantly chided and belittled most of his admiring fans. I used to email another Crimson fan, and expressed my feelings about him in a personal message, not knowing that the said person had a friend who personally knew Fripp. My email was forwarded to Fripp, and low and behold he exposed my personal message (never meant to be shared) to the world when he replied on his web site about it. It was extra nasty, and I believe I hit home with some valid points about his flawed personallity. He thinks he is a victum of his fans, and himself as an intellectual. He is not a humble or friendly man to the people who have made him rich. Face it Robert, if you are good, you are going to be photographed and bootleged. The tension he creates doesn't sit well with many of us. YES, he is a unique and a master guitarist, plus a prog-rock pioneer, no doubt! And YES, he does have the right to be the way he is, but his attitude is a real turn-off for me. When you become an international celebrity, you take risks, sorry that's just the way life is. I have always been in awe of his talent, but think much less of him now. It's harder for me to purchase expensive concert tickets and new music from him or Crimson, knowing that he doesn't appreciate his loyal fans. I believe his intellectual match his his old Crim partner Peter Sinfield. Sinfield used to post a quite humourous web site page of an extrordinary and long argument between Fripp and himself. It made me smile because Sinfield had some equally intense stabs and jabs at old Bobby. I highly doubt you will ever see them work together ever again. Go see the 21st Century Schizoid Band if you miss the old Crimson. I saw them on their last US tour show last year and they were fantastic, and proved that they didn't need Fripp at all. Fripp IS NOT King Crimson, just part of it, and the real essense of Crimson lies with the Schizoid Band. And I don't think Fripp is hurting from the photos or bootlegs either. He has a comfortable mansion with Toyah. |
Come on, stop sugar-coating it; tell us what you REALLY think!
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Joren
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:28 |
threefates wrote:
Thats actually his wife, not his sister...
this is his sister and he's smiling here too...
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is he? I think his mouth is just hanging open.
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Dennis
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:30 |
Belva,
It was two or three years ago. He copied and pasted my entire message. I stopped reading his diary from that point, and also whacked the other fan I sent the message to originally. I have no idea if it is still in his diary archives or if that even exists since I stopped going to the site from that point forward.
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:34 |
while we're on
this subject of r. fripp: is it true that other musicians down through
the years have had a difficult time working with him due to his
demeanor ?
he has been described as "dictatorial" in "guitar handbook" (ralph denyer)
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maani
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 11:57 |
Dennis:
That is not the Robert Fripp I met and knew. He was not only engaging and generous, but quite humble.
As for "difficult time" working with others, I suppose that depends on who he was working with. Apparently, none of the people who worked on his solo albums (Peter Hamiill, Narada Michael Walden, et al) or David Bowie (with whom Fripp worked on Scary Monsters and Heroes) had any problem with him, and, in fact, got along famously.
Peace.
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Peter
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 12:12 |
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I like his stile, too!!!
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Huh? You like his "set of steps for passing over a fence or wall?"
(That's "style.")
Sorry! I'm such a pedant -- I really can't help it!
Don't worry -- in all honesty, my grasp of Walloon is nonexistant!
Anyway, Fripp is one of the founding fathers -- if he's given more to seriousness, than hilarity, that's his prerogative.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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threefates
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 12:57 |
I don't know if what situations you've met Robert in Maani, but Dennis is right. He can be a bastard. But like most artists, he comes with a little baggage, and a bad temper and a need to be extremely controlling is part of his.
I've seen him when he was easy to deal with and a sweetheart.. then I've seen his nasty side. He's not unlike most overly intelligent musicians in that he's extremely moody. Comes with the territory, I've always thought, cause he's not the only one.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 13:06 |
Ther's a pic of him on which he makes a big smile: on the back of the Giles, Giles and friip CD : Brondesbury tapes
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Hangedman
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 13:30 |
Just commenting on the 21st century shiziod band... I thought King Crimson was about progress, and not living in the past just a thought .
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 13:36 |
Peter wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I like his stile, too!!!
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Huh? You like his "set of steps for passing over a fence or wall?"
(That's "style.")
Sorry! I'm such a pedant -- I really can't help it!
Don't worry -- in all honesty, my grasp of Walloon is nonexistant!
Anyway, Fripp is one of the founding fathers -- if he's given more to seriousness, than hilarity, that's his prerogative.
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Well no, in his mansion he has this stile...
Err, okay, style. You're quite right , mind you, a bit pedant too .
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threefates
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 13:40 |
Regarding the 21st Century Schizoid Band... when they were in their 20s... its very easy to be progressive because everyone's striving to move forward. When you get the age those guys are now... in their 50s.. then looking back is pretty normal...
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Dennis
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 13:47 |
Sorry Hangedman, got to reply to this one. Think about this: How much has Crimson evolved since the early 80's? They've changed several musicians and updated their instruments, but the overal sound and presentation of the music has changed little. Some say Crim is the only progressive rock band that is truly progressive. I disagree. How many overextended versions of Lark's Tongues in Aspic do we really need? And as of late I also hear strains of Fracture in the music too. Has the "Good Fairy" as Robert puts it finally left? Have we now actually come to the very end of and uncrossable boundaries of music? Has Robert now chosen to "beat a dead horse" for the money? At least he is respectable to keep Crim in the prog limelight, unlike sell-outs Genesis. And the Schizoids? The music sounds as fresh as in the 70's. It may well be living in the past, but relishing in past glories is no crime. I mean God, even Fripp will ocaissionally throw Red, 21st Century Schizoid Man, and even Catfood at us once in awhile. Never forget where you came from, especially if it's of any lasting value and high quality.
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 14:39 |
He smiles about as much as Bob Dylan does. Rarely.
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Abbath
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 17:25 |
Because smiling would compromise his artistic integrity.
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