I'm honestly really wondering...

Besides 'The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles and Fripp' I haven't seen him smile in any photos!

Saliva-iva-iva-iva-iva.

Well, is this Fripp?

He's smiling here, right? (Or is he  ?)

Velvetclown wrote:

Hey, is that mrs. Toyah - Fripp Wilcox?

I like his stile, too!!!

Moogtron III wrote: Velvetclown wrote: Hey, is that mrs. Toyah - Fripp Wilcox? I like his stile, too!!!

Is that before or after the recently announced face lift????

Or was it Toyah (which by the way I dislike very much)

Did you notice how much Fripp changed from 1974 to 1979?

I couldn't recognize the guy..............

Woah that's an awesome shot of Fripp with Genesis and more to the point an insane shot of Peter Gabriel....what a crazy legend!

I think Fripp conjures up a lot of intrigue in most his shots (whether intentional or not) His expression in RED for example just makes you know he means business and so does that album.......blinder!

The Letters is awesome too from Islands..........just thought I'd say that!

Thats actually his wife, not his sister...

this is his sister and he's smiling here too...

Actually, he does smile quite a bit in person.  In fact, he is very different in person from his "professional" persona.

Peace.

Fripps downright busting up on the cover of Sylvian & Fripp "The First Day."

Dennis wrote: FRIPP IS A BASTARD! I think he hates and loathes his fans so much that his face shows the pain he endures while becoming richer from us. Belva is right, Fripp is full of himself. I used to read his diary on the old DGM web site, and could not believe how he constantly chided and belittled most of his admiring fans. I used to email another Crimson fan, and expressed my feelings about him in a personal message, not knowing that the said person had a friend who personally knew Fripp. My email was forwarded to Fripp, and low and behold he exposed my personal message (never meant to be shared) to the world when he replied on his web site about it. It was extra nasty, and I believe I hit home with some valid points about his flawed personallity. He thinks he is a victum of his fans, and himself as an intellectual. He is not a humble or friendly man to the people who have made him rich. Face it Robert, if you are good, you are going to be photographed and bootleged. The tension he creates doesn't sit well with many of us. YES, he is a unique and a master guitarist, plus a prog-rock pioneer, no doubt! And YES, he does have the right to be the way he is, but his attitude is a real turn-off for me. When you become an international celebrity, you take risks, sorry that's just the way life is. I have always been in awe of his talent, but think much less of him now. It's harder for me to purchase expensive concert tickets and new music from him or Crimson, knowing that he doesn't appreciate his loyal fans. I believe his intellectual match his his old Crim partner Peter Sinfield. Sinfield used to post a quite humourous web site page of an extrordinary and long argument between Fripp and himself. It made me smile because Sinfield had some equally intense stabs and jabs at old Bobby. I highly doubt you will ever see them work together ever again. Go see the 21st Century Schizoid Band if you miss the old Crimson. I saw them on their last US tour show last year and they were fantastic, and proved that they didn't need Fripp at all. Fripp IS NOT King Crimson, just part of it, and the real essense of Crimson lies with the Schizoid Band. And I don't think Fripp is hurting from the photos or bootlegs either. He has a comfortable mansion with Toyah.

Come on, stop sugar-coating it; tell us what you REALLY think!

threefates wrote: Thats actually his wife, not his sister... this is his sister and he's smiling here too...

is he?  I think his mouth is just hanging open.

Belva,

It was two or three years ago. He copied and pasted my entire message. I stopped reading his diary from that point, and also whacked the other fan I sent the message to originally. I have no idea if it is still in his diary archives or if that even exists since I stopped going to the site from that point forward.

Dennis:

That is not the Robert Fripp I met and knew.  He was not only engaging and generous, but quite humble.

As for "difficult time" working with others, I suppose that depends on who he was working with.  Apparently, none of the people who worked on his solo albums (Peter Hamiill, Narada Michael Walden, et al) or David Bowie (with whom Fripp worked on Scary Monsters and Heroes) had any problem with him, and, in fact, got along famously.

Peace.

Moogtron III wrote: I like his stile, too!!!

 Huh? You like his "set of steps for passing over a fence or wall?"

(That's "style.")

Sorry! I'm such a pedant -- I really can't  help it!

Don't worry -- in all honesty, my grasp of Walloon is nonexistant!

Anyway, Fripp is one of the founding fathers -- if he's given more to seriousness, than hilarity, that's his prerogative.

I don't know if what situations you've met Robert in Maani, but Dennis is right.  He can be a bastard.  But like most artists, he comes with a little baggage, and a bad temper and a need to be extremely controlling is part of his.

I've seen him when he was easy to deal with and a sweetheart.. then I've seen his nasty side. He's not unlike most overly intelligent musicians in that he's extremely moody.  Comes with the territory, I've always thought, cause he's not the only one.

Peter wrote: Moogtron III wrote: I like his stile, too!!!  Huh? You like his "set of steps for passing over a fence or wall?" (That's "style.") Sorry! I'm such a pedant -- I really can't  help it! Don't worry -- in all honesty, my grasp of Walloon is nonexistant! Anyway, Fripp is one of the founding fathers -- if he's given more to seriousness, than hilarity, that's his prerogative.

Well no, in his mansion he has this stile...

Err, okay, style. You're quite right  , mind you, a bit pedant too  .

Regarding the 21st Century Schizoid Band... when they were in their 20s... its very easy to be progressive because everyone's striving to move forward.  When you get the age those guys are now... in their 50s.. then looking back is pretty normal...

Dennis wrote: Sorry Hangedman, got to reply to this one. Think about this: How much has Crimson evolved since the early 80's? They've changed several musicians and updated their instruments, but the overal sound and presentation of the music has changed little. Some say Crim is the only progressive rock band that is truly progressive. I disagree. How many overextended versions of Lark's Tongues in Aspic do we really need? And as of late I also hear strains of Fracture in the music too. Has the "Good Fairy" as Robert puts it finally left? Have we now actually come to the very end of and uncrossable boundaries of music? Has Robert now chosen to "beat a dead horse" for the money? At least he is respectable to keep Crim in the prog limelight, unlike sell-outs Genesis. And the Schizoids? The music sounds as fresh as in the 70's. It may well be living in the past, but relishing in past glories is no crime. I mean God, even Fripp will ocaissionally throw Red, 21st Century Schizoid Man, and even Catfood at us once in awhile. Never forget where you came from, especially if it's of any lasting value and high quality.

so your telling me the schizoids arent in it for the money? Remembering the past is not only good, but important. Whereas capitalizing on nostalgia is dull.

Dennis wrote: FRIPP IS A BASTARD! I think he hates and loathes his fans so much that his face shows the pain he endures while becoming richer from us. Belva is right, Fripp is full of himself. I used to read his diary on the old DGM web site, and could not believe how he constantly chided and belittled most of his admiring fans. I used to email another Crimson fan, and expressed my feelings about him in a personal message, not knowing that the said person had a friend who personally knew Fripp. My email was forwarded to Fripp, and low and behold he exposed my personal message (never meant to be shared) to the world when he replied on his web site about it. It was extra nasty, and I believe I hit home with some valid points about his flawed personallity. He thinks he is a victum of his fans, and himself as an intellectual. He is not a humble or friendly man to the people who have made him rich. Face it Robert, if you are good, you are going to be photographed and bootleged. The tension he creates doesn't sit well with many of us. YES, he is a unique and a master guitarist, plus a prog-rock pioneer, no doubt! And YES, he does have the right to be the way he is, but his attitude is a real turn-off for me. When you become an international celebrity, you take risks, sorry that's just the way life is. I have always been in awe of his talent, but think much less of him now. It's harder for me to purchase expensive concert tickets and new music from him or Crimson, knowing that he doesn't appreciate his loyal fans. I believe his intellectual match his his old Crim partner Peter Sinfield. Sinfield used to post a quite humourous web site page of an extrordinary and long argument between Fripp and himself. It made me smile because Sinfield had some equally intense stabs and jabs at old Bobby. I highly doubt you will ever see them work together ever again. Go see the 21st Century Schizoid Band if you miss the old Crimson. I saw them on their last US tour show last year and they were fantastic, and proved that they didn't need Fripp at all. Fripp IS NOT King Crimson, just part of it, and the real essense of Crimson lies with the Schizoid Band. And I don't think Fripp is hurting from the photos or bootlegs either. He has a comfortable mansion with Toyah.

sorry, not at all!

Hangedman wrote: Dennis wrote: Sorry Hangedman, got to reply to this one. Think about this: How much has Crimson evolved since the early 80's? They've changed several musicians and updated their instruments, but the overal sound and presentation of the music has changed little. Some say Crim is the only progressive rock band that is truly progressive. I disagree. How many overextended versions of Lark's Tongues in Aspic do we really need? And as of late I also hear strains of Fracture in the music too. Has the "Good Fairy" as Robert puts it finally left? Have we now actually come to the very end of and uncrossable boundaries of music? Has Robert now chosen to "beat a dead horse" for the money? At least he is respectable to keep Crim in the prog limelight, unlike sell-outs Genesis. And the Schizoids? The music sounds as fresh as in the 70's. It may well be living in the past, but relishing in past glories is no crime. I mean God, even Fripp will ocaissionally throw Red, 21st Century Schizoid Man, and even Catfood at us once in awhile. Never forget where you came from, especially if it's of any lasting value and high quality.      so your telling me the schizoids arent in it for the money? Remembering the past is not only good, but important. Whereas capitalizing on nostalgia is dull.

I'd still love to see them since I am only 17 and they are the closest I'll ever come to seeing King Crimson.  I cannot stand modern Crimson anyway (especially how they wont play their oldies for their fans - their PRIME MATERIAL).  At this point its just a name.

NetsNJFan wrote: I'd still love to see them since I am only 17 and they are the closest I'll ever come to seeing King Crimson.  I cannot stand modern Crimson anyway (especially how they wont play their oldies for their fans - their PRIME MATERIAL).  At this point its just a name.

I think thier prime material was Red era personally, but im glad the new crimson doesnt play thier oldies 1 - its not the same members 2 - it hasnt been the original crimson since 72 its a very different band now. Personally I think new crimson is great. Not Islands or Red great (although power to believe is my third favourite crimson album). King Crimson was never really a band, its more of a project. And the schiziod band is the closest youll come to seeing the KC that did the first two albums. (personally I think ITCOCK is really overrated, In the wake of poseidon is really good though). So in that sense I guess they are usefull.

What does it matter what Fripp's personality is like? There's plenty of people who will give you pleasant company, but not many who are capable of something like "Starless".

Just because someone has touched you with their music (or films, or artwork, or literature) doesn't mean they're any more likely to be pleasant, or wise, or virtuous (or good in bed, even...am I right? ).

Hierophant wrote: gdub411 wrote: I heard that Greg lake ate lots of burritos during his time with King Crimson and was quite gassy. The fact that Robert Fripp never smiles is the residual effects of  Greg Lake passing gas. I almost busted a rib reading that.

Some people pass their wisdom and knowledge on this site. I, having neither, pass my silliness(and sometimes gas) to you guys...for better or worse. 

threefates wrote: You got the wrong guy tho... it was Robert who had the gas problem.. its why he never gets up off the chair...

...he does have that...I'm pinching a loaf expression on his face.

threefates wrote: You got the wrong guy tho... it was Robert who had the gas problem.. its why he never gets up off the chair...

No, it must have been Greg - that's why the punks called ELP boring old farts.

Syzygy wrote: threefates wrote: You got the wrong guy tho... it was Robert who had the gas problem.. its why he never gets up off the chair... No, it must have been Greg - that's why the punks called ELP boring old farts.

Must of been catching then, cause they called Pink Floyd and Yes the same thing...

Dennis wrote: Ah yes, thank you gdub! This proves that us prog-rockers can laugh and not take things so seriously all of the time as we sometimes do and are accussed of. By the way I didn't know that the English knew what burritos were in 1969? Are you sure it wasn't the Indian food? Lots of veggies ya know!

Yeah, perhaps it was the brocolli...nothing more wicked than the broccoli fart....cept maybe prunes.

Dennis wrote: Here Here! And come to think of it...Have you seen any photos of Greg Lake lately? It's odd, but he seems to have inherited that funny, almost painful look that Fripp has. Maybe his age turned him into a musical Michelin Man. He needs help! Or it could be that he took too much Immodium-D for his problem and now needs GAS-X!

Is this the kind of thing you mean? (About 3 seconds after the shutter clicked he raised his right cheek and a small patch of lawn behind him died).

Incidentally, 3fates' opinion is that he looks good enough to eat in this photo.

You guys are so mature... sorry but I've seen about a million pictures of Greg lately.. taken a lot more recently than the one above taken in 1993.... Geez

Looks pretty happy to me... smiling.. cause Gibson's just given him some brand new guitars...

Now I like the name of the band who the guitarist next to Greg belongs to... THe Dead Trousers....

I remember Die Toten Hosen from about 25 years ago, a great German art-punk band. Not the first musicians I'd associate with lake, but I suppose time has mellowed attitudes on both sides.

Yams wrote: This is the best topic ever! I wonder what Master Fripp would think if he saw this?

He'd probably post a 5 page post insulting every one of us by name telling us how much he hates us and how he wants Kign Crimson removed from progarchives.com.

Granted it seems to be the case from what I've read that Fripp is rather moody, autocratic and abrasive, but how many of us actually personally know the guy?  If you look at photos of him in the Discipline era, he seems to smiling quite often, and it wouldn't be too much of a leap to suppose that he does so more in private.  Don't forget, Fripp famously dislikes being photographed, so it's probably unsurprising that you never see him smile in most of these photos.

Fripp was always more about the music than being nice to people, anyway.  And when you're that dedicated to something, it's inevitable that other people's concerns and feelings will be swept aside in pursuit of it.  Harsh, but true.

Jim Garten wrote: gdub411 wrote: I heard that Greg lake ate lots of burritos during his time with King Crimson and was quite gassy. The fact that Robert Fripp never smiles is the residual effects of  Greg Lake passing gas. Hah! Now I understand the lyrics to "I talk to the wind" - Thanks Gdub!

You guys gave me a good laugh with this thread.