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    Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:29

The lyrics of many ELP songs clearly are against Christianity:

People are stirred, moved by the Word
Kneel at the shrine, deceived by the wine
How was the Earth conceived, Infinite Space
Is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race
Can you believe, "God makes you breathe?"
Why did he lose six million Jews?...
Who looks on Life itself, who lights your way?
Only you can say
How can you just obey?
Don't need the Word, now that you've heard
Don't be afraid, Man is Man-made
And when the hour comes, don't turn away
Face the light of day
And do it your way...it's the only way.
 
The Only Way, Tarkus
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:47
so?
Who you gonna call?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:49

ELP are a crime against Humanity.

I say ban them and burn their supporters!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 20:52

Hah, You want Anti-Christian?

Mayhem-Necrolust

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:02
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Hah, You want Anti-Christian?

Mayhem-Necrolust

edi
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Eww...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:02
That's not anti-Christian in particular, that's just vulgar. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:28
Even the ELP lyrics aren't anti-Christian in particular (except for the wine part).  They're anti-monotheism or anti-religious in general also. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:51

I thought the people here liked the music for the music, not for who the players are, how they think, or who they worship. Atleast I haven't heard any one here say "Queen is bad because the lead singer is gay." I can't count how many times I have heard that in mainstream reviews. Another thing, there have been countless fans of Elton John that just abandoned him because of his sexual preferance. So sad.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:58
Originally posted by AtomHeartMother AtomHeartMother wrote:

I thought the people here liked the music for the music, not for who the players are, how they think, or who they worship. Atleast I haven't heard any one here say "Queen is bad because the lead singer is gay." I can't count how many times I have heard that in mainstream reviews. Another thing, there have been countless fans of Elton John that just abandoned him because of his sexual preferance. So sad.

Some people want to know a bit about their artists, and what inspires them.  if ELP's members wrote lyrics about their dislike of the church, it's still something people may want to know.

but odn't worry, I think most prog fans can look beyond things like religious or sexual preference and just look at the music.  Or at least the smart ones .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 22:10
Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

Originally posted by AtomHeartMother AtomHeartMother wrote:

I thought the people here liked the music for the music, not for who the players are, how they think, or who they worship. Atleast I haven't heard any one here say "Queen is bad because the lead singer is gay." I can't count how many times I have heard that in mainstream reviews. Another thing, there have been countless fans of Elton John that just abandoned him because of his sexual preferance. So sad.

Some people want to know a bit about their artists, and what inspires them.  if ELP's members wrote lyrics about their dislike of the church, it's still something people may want to know.

but odn't worry, I think most prog fans can look beyond things like religious or sexual preference and just look at the music.  Or at least the smart ones .



Exactly right..! Music is free expression… Who gives a f about lyrics… They are just libretto
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 22:15

I have been listening to Prog since I was 13. A born-again, Bible believing Christian since 28. I have been saved for nearly 20 years, am currently a member of an old time Baptist church, have read the KJV 1611 Bible from cover to cover more times then I remember and have preached the Word 100's of times from pulpits, on street corners, in rescue missions, care homes and more places that I can remember. Though i have been Born again, and much of my life has changed and most of my old sins have passed away, there remains some things that have not. i still surf, enjoy an occasional cold beer and I still love Prog! many of my brethren are apalled or even offended that i still listen to the music of the world, but God knows my heart, I love Prog.. Now, to the issue at hand, is ELP against christianity? Or are ELP against Christ?

  First of all, The Bible states " Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-Christ, that denieth both the Father and the Son....1 John 2:22

       According to the Bible, any man that denys the Diety of the man Christ is a liar and is anti-Christ and for that one could say that Greg Lake (if he be the writing of those lyrics is certainly anti-Christ) as with so many other artist. Christ said "  He that is not with me is against me"..Matt. 12:30  This is the "narrow minded"  doctrine of the Christian faith that so many despise and I believe..

 But the second point to be made is the fact that many of these men are not so much against Christ as they are against the hypocrisy of what has become know as "Christianity" We all can see how the professed churches of  our day have become sepulchres of Hypocrisy and the life of the religion, it;s buildings and it's assests is of far more impotance then the life of a soul, and I often find this attitude against the churches Hypocrisy prevalent is music. And to this I agree. A classic example of this is the song "Wind up" from Aqualung. Anderson slams the Bishops and their  hypocrisys while all the while crying out "He is not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday!" I must stop. Against Christ? It is to their shame.. Against the hypocrisy of religion? I say AMEN.....

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare if thou hast understanding?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 22:25
Well said, prog1611.  I've grown up in the church (12 years as a lutheran, became a Methodist about 4 years ago, funny how we christians have to divide up so much huh ?)  But I often find church a bit reliant on the technical side of things, too worried about the lighting, not about the soul, as you said.  it pains me at times to see what Christianity has become today. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:02

As most members know, I am a full-time Protestant minister.  I've been in Christ for over 20 years, and in the full-time ministry for three.  I love ice cream, action movies, and secular - and particularly progressive - music.  I don't like people who say "like" every third word, women who talk like truck drivers, and hypocrites who claim a mantle of Christianity with little understanding of the very person they claim to follow.

In short, I agree with both prog1611 and alan.  But, at the risk of turning this thread into yet another "religious" discussion, I would like to add something.

"True" Christians (an admittedly loaded term) know and understand that we are not here to judge or condemn.  In fact, we are strictly forbidden from doing either.  Judgment and condemnation are reserved solely and exclusively to Christ on Judgment Day.  We are here to live a "Christ-like" life - love, peace, forgiveness, humility, compassion, patience, charity, selflessness, service and truth.  We are here to preach the Gospel and proselytize - but not to "ram it down people's throats" or judge or condemn them if they choose not to listen.

That the vast majority of mainstream, heirarchical, "organized" Christianity does not get this - that it is dangerously apostate, and often even comes across with narrow, unloving, unforgiving and ultimately un-Christian views and positions - is sad in the extreme, and is what makes "organized Christianity" its own worst enemy.

Is ELP anti-Christian?  I couldn't care less.  Because if they are, it is between them and God, and is not for me to judge.  I can still enjoy their music, and admire and respect their talent.

Peace.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:27
It's important to remember that any lyric or story does not necessarily
represent the view of the author. I'm a fantasy author, but I've never killed
anyone with a sword. So while ELP's lyric might be construed as being anti-
religious, this does not mean that Emerson, Lake or Palmer are anti-
Christian. They might be, or they might not. You can't tell from the lyric.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:27
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

The lyrics of many ELP songs clearly are against Christianity:

People are stirred, moved by the Word
Kneel at the shrine, deceived by the wine
How was the Earth conceived, Infinite Space
Is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race
Can you believe, "God makes you breathe?"
Why did he lose six million Jews?...
Who looks on Life itself, who lights your way?
Only you can say
How can you just obey?
Don't need the Word, now that you've heard
Don't be afraid, Man is Man-made
And when the hour comes, don't turn away
Face the light of day
And do it your way...it's the only way.
 
The Only Way, Tarkus
 
 


My beloved ELP I like the song about Benny even more:

Sidney grabbed a hatchet, buried it .... in Benny's head.
The people gasped as he bled:
The end of a Ted?

Well, they dragged him from the wreckage of the Palais in bits.
They tried to stick together all the bits that would fit.
But some of him was missing
and "part of him" arrived too late,
So now he works for Jesus
As the bouncer at St. Peter's Gate.

To me, as an antheist, this is very amusing. In general, I am very pleased when prog-rock bands are anti-religious or atheistic (which appears to be the case in most cases, I suppose) . I hope Steve Wilison is an atheist too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:34
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

As most members know, I am a full-time Protestant minister.  I've been in Christ for over 20 years, and in the full-time ministry for three.  I love ice cream, action movies, and secular - and particularly progressive - music.  I don't like people who say "like" every third word, women who talk like truck drivers, and hypocrites who claim a mantle of Christianity with little understanding of the very person they claim to follow.

In short, I agree with both prog1611 and alan.  But, at the risk of turning this thread into yet another "religious" discussion, I would like to add something.

"True" Christians (an admittedly loaded term) know and understand that we are not here to judge or condemn.  In fact, we are strictly forbidden from doing either.  Judgment and condemnation are reserved solely and exclusively to Christ on Judgment Day.  We are here to live a "Christ-like" life - love, peace, forgiveness, humility, compassion, patience, charity, selflessness, service and truth.  We are here to preach the Gospel and proselytize - but not to "ram it down people's throats" or judge or condemn them if they choose not to listen.

That the vast majority of mainstream, heirarchical, "organized" Christianity does not get this - that it is dangerously apostate, and often even comes across with narrow, unloving, unforgiving and ultimately un-Christian views and positions - is sad in the extreme, and is what makes "organized Christianity" its own worst enemy.

Is ELP anti-Christian?  I couldn't care less.  Because if they are, it is between them and God, and is not for me to judge.  I can still enjoy their music, and admire and respect their talent.

Peace.



You know, Maani, your posts are always very well written, at least as far as the style, grammar and argumentation go. And although we have mutually disjoint philosophies of life, I feel every respect for you.

In studying human nature, I arrived at the conclusion that most people dislike or even abhor logic. They are moved by beliefs and vague, metaphorical statements (religion, magic, astrology, poetry ...). Religion is illogical by definition and the atheism is based strictly on logic.

However, if everybody was fond of logic, the world would consist of philosophers, mathematicians and theoretical physicists! Even women would refuse to be secretaries! There would hardly be any music as the overly logical people would be too much occupied with their formulas, thinking and calculation. So, it turns out, because religion exists, prog exists too. So, thank God!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:43
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

As most members know, I am a full-time Protestant minister.  I've been in Christ for over 20 years, and in the full-time ministry for three.  I love ice cream, action movies, and secular - and particularly progressive - music.  I don't like people who say "like" every third word, women who talk like truck drivers, and hypocrites who claim a mantle of Christianity with little understanding of the very person they claim to follow.

In short, I agree with both prog1611 and alan.  But, at the risk of turning this thread into yet another "religious" discussion, I would like to add something.

"True" Christians (an admittedly loaded term) know and understand that we are not here to judge or condemn.  In fact, we are strictly forbidden from doing either.  Judgment and condemnation are reserved solely and exclusively to Christ on Judgment Day.  We are here to live a "Christ-like" life - love, peace, forgiveness, humility, compassion, patience, charity, selflessness, service and truth.  We are here to preach the Gospel and proselytize - but not to "ram it down people's throats" or judge or condemn them if they choose not to listen.

That the vast majority of mainstream, heirarchical, "organized" Christianity does not get this - that it is dangerously apostate, and often even comes across with narrow, unloving, unforgiving and ultimately un-Christian views and positions - is sad in the extreme, and is what makes "organized Christianity" its own worst enemy.

Is ELP anti-Christian?  I couldn't care less.  Because if they are, it is between them and God, and is not for me to judge.  I can still enjoy their music, and admire and respect their talent.

Peace.

well said

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:50
Freddy Mercury is gay?
Oh...
alright, cool.
Listen:
Your friends have been broken. They've told us of your poison.
Now     we    k now.
KILL THEM!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 23:54
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

As most members know, I am a full-time Protestant minister.  I've been in Christ for over 20 years, and in the full-time ministry for three.  I love ice cream, action movies, and secular - and particularly progressive - music.  I don't like people who say "like" every third word, women who talk like truck drivers, and hypocrites who claim a mantle of Christianity with little understanding of the very person they claim to follow.

In short, I agree with both prog1611 and alan.  But, at the risk of turning this thread into yet another "religious" discussion, I would like to add something.

"True" Christians (an admittedly loaded term) know and understand that we are not here to judge or condemn.  In fact, we are strictly forbidden from doing either.  Judgment and condemnation are reserved solely and exclusively to Christ on Judgment Day.  We are here to live a "Christ-like" life - love, peace, forgiveness, humility, compassion, patience, charity, selflessness, service and truth.  We are here to preach the Gospel and proselytize - but not to "ram it down people's throats" or judge or condemn them if they choose not to listen.

That the vast majority of mainstream, heirarchical, "organized" Christianity does not get this - that it is dangerously apostate, and often even comes across with narrow, unloving, unforgiving and ultimately un-Christian views and positions - is sad in the extreme, and is what makes "organized Christianity" its own worst enemy.

Is ELP anti-Christian?  I couldn't care less.  Because if they are, it is between them and God, and is not for me to judge.  I can still enjoy their music, and admire and respect their talent.

Peace.

Geez maani...

once again, couldn't have said it better myself.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2005 at 00:00
Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

Well said, prog1611.  I've grown up in the church (12 years as a lutheran, became a Methodist about 4 years ago, funny how we christians have to divide up so much huh ?)  But I often find church a bit reliant on the technical side of things, too worried about the lighting, not about the soul, as you said.  it pains me at times to see what Christianity has become today. 


We should have our Church of Prog here Too many believers here, even since the time they were unconscious.
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