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AreYouHuman 
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 Topic: Vinyl albums that play at 45rpm
Posted: December 06 2013 at 23:25 |
The Cocteau Twins’ “Victorialand” I initially played at 33, and not being especially familiar with the band’s output as a whole at that point, it took a couple more plays before I noticed it was supposed to be played at 45.  I thought the vocals sounded a little too surreal, even for them, though actually some tracks sound as good if not better at 45.
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Posted: December 05 2013 at 11:05 |
 moshkito wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
I've never encountered an LP sized disc that was 45 speed. Of note, I did encounter the Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album that had one side with two sets of grooves running parllel, so depending on how your needle landed you'd get one set of material or the other. I didn't know this in advance and I don't think people were forewarned when it was realeased so it made for a great practical joke. |
And I saw this happen to the Monty Python album on live radio ... it was hilarious, and I went out and immediately bought the album ... had to have that one! |
Yes, and the entry points to the 2 grooves are not equally spaced, so you've more chance of getting one groove than the other. I thought I was going mad when I played it and got something completely different to what I was used to from the first 4 or 5 plays.
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Posted: December 05 2013 at 01:01 |
Definitely not prog rock and while it should be played at 45, being a single and all, the flipside of Madness' Our House is a number called Walking With Mr Wheeze - which plays superbly and surprisingly well at 33. Good fun. 
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 08:58 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I've never encountered an LP sized disc that was 45 speed. Of note, I did encounter the Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album that had one side with two sets of grooves running parllel, so depending on how your needle landed you'd get one set of material or the other. I didn't know this in advance and I don't think people were forewarned when it was realeased so it made for a great practical joke. |
And I saw this happen to the Monty Python album on live radio ... it was hilarious, and I went out and immediately bought the album ... had to have that one!
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 19:32 |
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All I know is that if you play the opening track of Black Sabbath's Vol. 4, Wheels of Confusion, at 45 rpm it sounds exactlylike Born To Be Wild. Until Ozzy comes in but you will want to keep listening because it is hilarious. |
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 17:40 |
Progosopher wrote:
All I know is that if you play the opening track of Black Sabbath's Vol. 4, Wheels of Confusion, at 45 rpm it sounds exactlylike Born To Be Wild. Until Ozzy comes in but you will want to keep listening because it is hilarious. |
I must try that some time......sounds amusing. I recall years ago I had a knackered copy of Magma's MDK album, and when a mate was over, I did the whole 'turntable scratchy' thing with it and tried to rap along with it (in Kobaian - my interpretation of it anyway). We were in stitches.....  .
I have a respectable turntable these days and a pristine re-issue of MDK that I dare not fool around with.
Edited by Tom Ozric - December 03 2013 at 17:41
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 17:17 |
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my copy of Maudlin of the Well's Part the Second must be played at 45 rpm. Also I have Vemod by Anekdoten and it include Sad Rain on a different vinyl and it must played at 45 rpm too
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Posted: November 29 2013 at 14:26 |
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All I know is that if you play the opening track of Black Sabbath's Vol. 4, Wheels of Confusion, at 45 rpm it sounds exactlylike Born To Be Wild. Until Ozzy comes in but you will want to keep listening because it is hilarious.
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Posted: November 29 2013 at 12:53 |
I have a 7" single by Goblin.It is a single but must be played at 33 rpm.No mention on the sleeve.
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Posted: November 29 2013 at 11:23 |
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I've never encountered an LP sized disc that was 45 speed. Of note, I did encounter the Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album that had one side with two sets of grooves running parllel, so depending on how your needle landed you'd get one set of material or the other. I didn't know this in advance and I don't think people were forewarned when it was realeased so it made for a great practical joke.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 29 2013 at 11:24
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Posted: November 29 2013 at 07:51 |
Hi,
Better yet ... go listen to Robert Schroeder's first album on Klaus Schulze's label ... you could play it at both speeds and one was really heavy teutonic, scary, crazy stuff, and the other one was just some flowery/hippy sh*t!
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Posted: November 28 2013 at 00:39 |
There are a lot of jazz albums being done in 45rpm.......Miles Davis Kind of Blue is suppose to be magical. The wider groove allows record mastering for higher frequency and levels. It really helps the inner groove portion of the vinyl and reduces distortion, inner groove distortion, faster revolutions the needle covers more area versus at 33-1/3 slower speed covering less territory. For 78rpm you need a special cartridge usually
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 23:21 |
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I also have an album by West-Coast psych band 'Moby Grape' which has a song on side 1 (track 6, from memory) to be played at 78, the rest of the album is cut at 33. I have never played that track, nor had access to a player which can do 78rpm.
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 23:10 |
 Nash The Slash released this one with the instructions to play it at 45rpm or 33.333rpm, either speed would render the intended results. I preferred 45rpm, but it did sound surprisingly natural either way. I think it contained elements recorded at both speeds in the mix. Anyone have this? Unfortunately I no longer do.
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:24 |
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 10:43 |
JediJoker7169 wrote:
MustardSea wrote:
I think it has something to do with sound quality.. |
Bingo. With vinyl, the faster, the better, insofar as the equipment is up to it. (78+ rpm might be too fast for some players; I don't know.) Faster playback means the material is more spread out physically within the groove, allowing for greater clarity and, potentially, a lower noise floor (don't quote me on that; I think it might have more to do with the groove spacing on the record side of things). There are many audiophile album (re-)pressings done at 45 rpm for this reason. |
Correct on all counts and the sound quality on Ever is truly exceptional. 78 rpm can overstress some styli, leading to damage.
The other thing is that they have room for 45rpm, as it is a double album so there's not much music on each side, so they can spread it out.
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 07:51 |
MustardSea wrote:
I think it has something to do with sound quality.. |
Bingo. With vinyl, the faster, the better, insofar as the equipment is up to it. (78+ rpm might be too fast for some players; I don't know.) Faster playback means the material is more spread out physically within the groove, allowing for greater clarity and, potentially, a lower noise floor (don't quote me on that; I think it might have more to do with the groove spacing on the record side of things). There are many audiophile album (re-)pressings done at 45 rpm for this reason.
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 05:53 |
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 05:40 |
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I bought some full-length records by The Dead C a few weeks ago, and two of them came with "bonus track" records that played at 45 RPM.
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Posted: November 27 2013 at 05:19 |
MustardSea wrote:
"Third" by Portishead also plays at 45rpm as does my version of Radiohead's "Kid A" - I think it has something to do with sound quality.. |
The 'Kid A' I have is a dbl 10" which plays at 33.....
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Vinyl albums that play at 45rpm
(Dagmar sounded especially strange....)