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Warthur ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2008 Location: London, UK Status: Offline Points: 617 |
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Personally I like the fact that the top 100 list is in flux. If we gave too much weight to number of reviews that wouldn't happen so much (though, as demonstrated upthread, number of reviews is in fact taken into account). Ultimately, the top 100 would be a boring, boring list if the same old predictable bands filled it; I like the fact that new acts have a shot at making a mark on it. Sure, very occasionally you get a fluke where an album ends up lower or higher than it really deserves to be, but the way the system's set up that'll correct itself over time as more people toss in reviews and ratings - and I'd rather have the occasional eccentric placing which lets me discover new albums and bands I hadn't previously considered than to eliminate such blips and end up staring at an almost static list.
And hey, since this thread was posted a third GG album's made its way back into the top 100. Like I say: the list is self-correcting. This is a thread about a problem which literally solves itself.
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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After Interview, GG were not the band they used to be. I can enjoy those last couple of GG albums, but they're nowhere near the quality of the pre-Interview albums. BTW i have not truly listened to any Gentle Giant in a very long time |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I rather like Civilian, too. You won't find many that don't consider it at least a step up from Giant For A Day
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The Hemulen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
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It's good for what it is, but "one of the best albums of the 80's"? Really?! Civillian was an ageing prog band's competent last-ditch attempt at commercial viability, nothing more. There was a shedload of exciting, innovative music produced in that decade, all of which utterly eclipses that album. |
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Harry Hood ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
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Hey man. Civilian is a damn good album. One of the best albums of the 80's.
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I'll just have to add more 4 and 5 star reviews for GG.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18071 |
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Good luck trying to convince these quasi-socialists that they are wrong in their "ideas" about a Top Ten or Top 100. Specially when many of these bands did their work with complete and utter disrespect for the "Top Ten" that was the AM radio (America for example) at the time. But it only took 5 years and FM radio in America also became just another top ten, and then 30 years later someone had the gall to invent Satelite Radio to become yet another Top Ten disgrace and blatant commercial endeavour!
And us, on top of it, are too stuck in that commercialization to help try and address that -- yet another Top Ten ... we would be lost without it!
In the end, our egos in this board will kill it anyway ... and tomorrow another gagaband will be number one and GG will fall off and the day after another spearsbruhaha will be number one and KC will fall off ... it's just a matter of time ... and logistics! We're standing up for a process that ... will kill it all for us, and not help the very music and process that we're standing up for!
That's what happens when a process has no past and no future ... and uses an excuse for "today".
I am of the opinion that the Top 100 should ONLY have a group/artist ONCE ... not 3 (or 4) albums by Genesis or ELP or anyone else ... and this would help consider these as ARTISTS ... instead of just another top ten countdown! ... which will change tomorrow as we get more metal and prog fans and less purists and us old fudgers will all die off sooner or later ... and that metal goth kid can't wait for us to leave!
No one remembers Strawberry Alarm Clock ... or Sugarloaf ... or Ides of March ... or even Mason Profit! ... much less James Gang ... and if you do ... you're a hard core oldster and someone will quickly joke that you need a haircut! ... and the new word is ... et tu musik?
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AtomicCrimsonRush ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
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I discovered most bands thru the forums too but I have to say the top 100 has merit. Many would check this to see what is out there and revered as the best of the best. I printed a top 100 in 2006 before i even joined. But its unrecognizable now.
![]() I would love to see a special Prog Rock list of top 100 albums.
![]() Kind of like 1001 albums you must hear before you die book. So all are placed in their specific years. I know we can look up albums by years by going thru the search section with albums, but a user friendly (newbie friendly), one click on the home page of 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, etc lists of top 100 prog albums would be quite useful. And not hard to compile. It would change as reviews come in but that wont matter.
This is one idea i would be happy to support or help with. Gentle Giant would end up on a top 100 70s.
of course the 80s list would be kind of difficult to compile as there was hardly any decent prog (did I just say that>?)
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I feel confident that newcomers to progressive rock will have no issues discovering Gentle Giant on this website.
I'm more interested in this ostensible algorithm change that made drastic changes to the top album list, but that's a separate thread.
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topographicbroadways ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5575 |
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This is ridiculous I discovered most bands on PA via the forum not checking the Top 100. A bands position in the rankings carries nowhere near as much weight as what the reviews of it say in my view. If you are a member of PA or regularly check it out then it is impossible for Gentle Giant to slip past your radar regardless of their position in the rankings
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Perhaps I'm the exception, but when looking at the top 100 list, I'm mainly interested in what albums are in the top 5 or 10 and the way their positions shift slightly now and then (a bit like watching paint dry).
For the other 90 I just like to know which albums are in there, not the number at which they stand. For any of those I couldn't care less one of them is at number 12 or 98. If I did, I'd probably get upset. I am interested in new introductions to the list and albums that consequntly vanish from the list though. |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17966 |
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^ Its ok...its just my opinion.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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^ It wasn't at all like you say. We must have read different threads.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17966 |
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The problem with most is that he picked Gentle Giant, the discussion went from "is there something wrong with the rating system" to "GG does not deserve it or really who cares about GG.."
It was an immediate slam against the band he picked....."so what, my band is not there so I don't care about yours".
Ridiculing someone does not improve the site.....I fail to see that as a constructive reply.
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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We should just fix Gentle Giant on the list so that their name can be passed on to future generations.
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Anthony H. ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 11 2010 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 6088 |
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Tons of albums were either moved way up/down or added outright. For example, Maiden Voyage is in the top 60 when it wasn't even in the top 250 before, and Sing to God and Leaving Your Body Map both went up around 60 ranks. Other examples include: Stormcock, Isa, and A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window. |
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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How different is it, then? |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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Yes, absolutely
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I understand...you are right...but is ridicule needed?
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