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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 23:33 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
I don't have any problem with the notion that Jacko might have influenced some prog artists on the margins, but I can't think of any examples as I don't know his music very well. |
As you I wouldn't matter....If this influence existed, what's not the case IMO.
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:10 |
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I don't have any problem with the notion that Jacko might have influenced some prog artists on the margins, but I can't think of any examples as I don't know his music very well.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:07 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
there's not a single Progressive Rock inote in his music.
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What's a proggressive rock note ?   
I agree though... I like his music and he was gigantically-talented, but prog or prog-influence he was not...
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 12:15 |
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Just Ridiculous!!!
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It´s dark, too dark to see...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 09:01 |
Michael Jackson Prog??????
Experimental doesn't mean Prog, you can play experimental POP or Funk or even Rap.
I'd rather be called stereotyped, he plays POP exclusively, there's not a single Progressive Rock inote in his music.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 20 2009 at 09:02
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 08:01 |
yes, i think he is prog. Prog isn't just about long songs and complicated pieces of music played university teachers. If you listen to some of his compositions, they have musicianship that not even classical composers could even fathom.
If you listen to I Just Can't Stop Loving You, there are amazing vocal harmonies, and very werid key changes, e.g. the key change at the end of the song goes from Gm to G#m, that is only one semitone. Not a well known key change, but it is very experimental.
Jackson also really believed in solo instruments as a major part of music and composition. E.g. in his live shows, he allowed his band to go into funk jams, and he even instructed them to just go with the feeling and to experiment with the music itself.
IF THAT'S NOT WHAT BEING PROG IS ABOUT, THEN THIS GENRE IS AS STEREOTYPED AS ANY OTHER GENRE.
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 17:35 |
As for, did prog play any part in Michael Jeckson's work... ?
I posted this somewhere else this morning but relating
to the same issue.
I've just got to the part in the highly recommended
book titled MELLOTRON by Nick Awde (an epic 590
pages filled with prog lore and interviews with
the band users) and it interestingly mentions a
small facet of commentary where the author says
to Ian McDonald:
"I heard somewhere, maybe it was Quincy Jones being
interviewed on the radio in the 80s, that Michael
Jackson uses, or used IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING
as one of his handful of 'sound bible' albums to help
with production excellence.. ."
Something to do with his music being designed to fit
inside the optimum EQ frequencies, as at the time
King Crimson's album did.
Ian McDonald replied that he thought it would probably
be Jackson's engineer if that was the case.
I say we nominate 'The Wiz' as a concept album <g>
Paul ;-)Nz
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 09:13 |
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I first thought this thread was something as a "crazy joke" |
That was sort of the idea.
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 19:27 |
Question: Did Michael Jackson influence prog?
Answer: LOL
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 17:03 |
I first thought this thread was something as a "crazy joke", but I can´t believe that somebody may dare to state that MJ has really influenced prog music.
As someone said in the beginning of this thread: WTF? 
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 13:27 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
Well, they all made their careers in music, and nearly all of those bands delved in pop music. That's something in common, hardly opposite.
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I insist OPPOSITE, all Michael Jackson's career was Pop, while most of the career oof the above mentioned artists was made in Prog, and even when they had some Pop albums and/or songs, they had absolutely no relation with Michael Jackson's POP
Iván
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 06:34 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
ChitWinterwheat wrote:
PLEASSEEE!!! whatever next......Donny Osmond influenced Death Metal? |
Not quite, but we certainly can't deny that Eminem influenced jazz
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That's true. He made jazz vomit.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 03:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Gianthogweed wrote:
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. I don't want to praise the guy too much because he was a sick and disturbed individual, but his contribution to music was undeniable, if overrated by some. And I wouldn't say his style was opposite to any prog band. |
I haven't seen him performing in any live act.
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He wasn't a virtuoso or anything, but he was a songwriter and lifelong professional musician, it's not surprising that he picked up a few instruments along the way. But he was always a first and foremost a singer and dancer in concert.
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Not opposite?
Do you believe King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Ures, Genesis, ELP, etc have something in common with him?
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Well, they all made their careers in music, and nearly all of those bands delved in pop music. That's something in common, hardly opposite.
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Please, the next thing will be somebody askkig "Michael Jackson Prog Related?" Because if he influenced, he can be added to PR.
Iván
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Everything is related to everything, and everything that came before influenced everything that came after to some degree, whether directly or indirectly. The more popular the artist the larger the influence. It's pretty unavoidable. Even artists who hated The Beatles were indirectly influenced by them, simply by the fact that they hated them. Same goes for Michael Jackson. But like I said, he was more influenced by prog than the other way around. This doesn't mean he should be added to progarchives. He stuck too close to the pop format musically, and I don't think he should even be considered rock.
Edited by Gianthogweed - June 30 2009 at 03:27
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 03:14 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
Keppa4v wrote:
Gianthogweed wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Soirry but it's absurd.
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
Iván |
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. |
Wikipedia says he played the drums on Beat It, but there's no source. I don't have the booklet here now so I can't check. Anyway, he was capable of playing multiple instruments.
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Even if he did play the drums on Beat It, that's nothing. I've never touched a drum kit (or a child for that matter) before and I think I could play the drums on that. That isn't a song that makes me say "Wow this guy's a great drummer!"
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That was not the point. Anyway, his music was always groove over complexity, and assuming that he did play drums on Beat It, he was a pretty damn grooving drummer. I don't think I could really nail that beat even though I play drums every day.
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 21:16 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Prog Related influenced
Hey, he plays Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple
Iván
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It was only a matter of time before this one made an appearance in this thread 
Edited by jammun - June 29 2009 at 21:17
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 21:06 |
Prog Related influenced
Hey, he plays Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple
Iván
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 19:37 |
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maybe the video concept... as a short movie.
but maybe prog influenced his work, i think...
he wasn't a instrument player, as we know..put on. but his ideas and energy in his work enhanced his work...
art works with an crucial element. everything. exclude him can be an error, but i cant see him as a MAIN influence anyway..
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"llrr lrlr rrllrrlrl lrlrrlrlrlrr... at the end are just senseless letters... "
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 18:32 |
Keppa4v wrote:
Gianthogweed wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Soirry but it's absurd.
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
Iván |
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. |
Wikipedia says he played the drums on Beat It, but there's no source. I don't have the booklet here now so I can't check. Anyway, he was capable of playing multiple instruments.
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Even if he did play the drums on Beat It, that's nothing. I've never touched a drum kit (or a child for that matter) before and I think I could play the drums on that. That isn't a song that makes me say "Wow this guy's a great drummer!"
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 18:21 |
ChitWinterwheat wrote:
PLEASSEEE!!! whatever next......Donny Osmond influenced Death Metal?
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Not quite, but we certainly can't deny that Eminem influenced jazz
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:39 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Soirry but it's absurd.
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
Iván |
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. |
Wikipedia says he played the drums on Beat It, but there's no source. I don't have the booklet here now so I can't check. Anyway, he was capable of playing multiple instruments.
Edited by Keppa4v - June 29 2009 at 17:43
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