Did Michael Jackson influence prog?
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Topic: Did Michael Jackson influence prog?
Posted By: mattmcl
Subject: Did Michael Jackson influence prog?
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:03
| So the debate raging in my office this morning is whether he was the biggest influence on music since The Beatles. I said, no, he didn't influence mine. I honestly can't think of ANY way he put his mark on prog. Thoughts? |
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:08
If he did, prog would probably follow the same ruinous path down the drain... ------------- 
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:08
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No
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:12
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Umm, no. Maybe Stevie Wonder...not Jackson.
Although his vocal style is the most influential single voice on R&B singers' styles since the early eighties. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:12
| Sure, Genesis. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:12
Oh no, not another MJ thread. 
Zing! |
Easy Money wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:13
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I say yes, he has influenced progressive rock acts. http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.results&type=Music&qry=Michael%20Jackson&musictype=2&sb=4&stb=0&gnr=32&d=10 - CLICK |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:16
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No. he influenced pop. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:17
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Michael Jackson was like Elvis Presley: The end product of a long development. Michael Jackson came from the funk, gospel, soul, pop and disco tradition. He merged all that into his music. Add Quincy Jones's production and you have Thriller, Bad, Off The Wall and all his other releases. The common thing about Michael Jackson is that his music originated from the cotton fields, the suburbs and the colored tradition. Which is excellent. Respect is due. Prog rock is a white middle class thing which originates from the high schools in England, Italy, USA and Canada. Prog rock is a nerdy thing, done by the social outcasts who were sitting alone in the corner when the rest of the class was dancing to the likes of Michael Jackson. Sex (=Michael Jackson) and prog rock has never mixed. Michael Jackson has had no influence on prog rock. That's my thesis as a no-sex nerd. |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:43
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To me, MJ's music was based on R&B, pop and rock. Even though these styles of music influenced Prog, I think it's a stretch to say that he personally influenced Prog. Many artists at the time were incorporating these styles into their music so why single out MJ? Just because he died? I suooose that if OJ had a couple of Genesis or Pink Floyd CDs in his white Bronco we would be discussing him around here.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 10:54
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I think his videos were a big influence on the presentation of music, not on the music itself. Music videos would not be what they are today without his influence.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 11:34
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WTF?
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Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 12:52
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Maybe (and this is a streatch) maybe prog influenced MJ, but certainly not the other way around. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 12:59
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Oh please come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The next thing will be suggesting him for Prog Related.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:00
This poor, deluded, sad man had as much influence on prog as I've had on glamour modelling.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:03
He's a cone head...  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:25
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He influenced Prog to about the same extent as Val Doonican (.......not much then) ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:33
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One of the first times that I saw Rush live, near the end of the show they played Wipeout and Alex Lifeson pretended he was riding a surfboard. Their comment was that this was for their critics who claim that they were too boring just standing in one place playing their music. So maybe that little "dance" was influenced by Michael Jackson's concert choreography; or at least it influenced the criticism of the boring just stand there rock bands. ------------- 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:52
| NO |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:58
| i think many of his songs have an Epic feel like Earth Song, and he was under the record label Epic Records |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:00
Epic =/= Prog |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:09
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I can't believe this thread. Does Eminem influence Jazz? ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:12
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there are differnt deffinitian in my head disribing epic (HIS NOT PROG OR RELATED) 1. 10-20 minus songs 2. big poverfull music, slove pace, majestic drums. 3 synth or orchestras in the background, hartfelt singing 4 grandiose. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:17
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hahahhah. Yeah...same with Willie Nelson. to stay in the spirit of the thread... and forgetting prog completely. It is a NITCH genre of music. The fact that neither have anything to do with prog in NO way diminishes their greatness .. or influence on music at all. Prog is a boil on the ass of music at large. A pleasant one... but insignificant in the grand scheme of things. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:18
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Somehow I had a feeling there was going to be a "Is Michael Jackson prog?" thread. My answer is simply no, not at all. He was not 'prog' in any way. He was a pop artist. ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:18
Michal Jakson is a much bigger force in the music universe then Eminem, Eminem is reaching Jackson to his anckles. and hade a much longer career from 1968 - 2001/09 including both Jackson 5 and solo as a bass player i find a lot of the Jackson 5s bass lines to be some of the best in the buisness. i dont now hwo play bass its ether on of the jacksons ot James Jamersen |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:28
I will agree with you that MJ had more influence that Eminem ever will. -------------
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 14:44
Michael Jackson apparently used to listen to fusion and owned an ISOTOPE album.This was back in the seventies of course.It was all down hill from there.
I do have some appreciation and respect for Stevie Wonder's music,can't say the same for Michael regardless of how talented he was. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 16:28
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Hell no, not even now that he is suddently interesting again ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 16:53
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While Frank Zappa did have his band play Billie Jean on stage, I wouldn't go as far as saying it influenced him.
OTOH, I would say that Michael Jackson had a profound influence on comedy. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 18:45
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He had about as much influence on prog as Farrah Fawcett. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 18:57
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No He's a pop musician. There's no way in hell a guy who does the moonwalk on stage influenced progressive rock. I don't mind some of his music, but influencing prog? You've got to be kidding. ------------- 
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 19:04
You can't think of ANY way because there IS no way. No. I'm curious. You say the debate was raging and you "said" MJ had no influence on your kind of music. When you said that, what did they say? Did anyone say, "yeah, he probably didn't have much influence in Prague." Seriously, what was their reaction?-------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 19:08
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I nominate Michael Jackson for Symphonic Prog... if we ever do multi-genre, an "avant-garde" gtag would also fit... ------------- 
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:07
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In some soft songs he was influenced by bossanova ,jazzsoul,but not prog ,.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:15
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oh brother... no wonder this site has a reputation for being a black hole for real musical discussion. the question is NOT whether Michael Jackson influenced prog.... but whether his lack of influence in it keeps him from being considered as influential as an artist like the Beatles. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:18
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Like the Beatles? ,...never
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:21
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in that point I agree... and probably most would. While Michael Jackson does have a massive influence on popular music... it doesn't compare to the Beatles. If anyone bothered to read the original post... that was the question. Not whether Michael Jackson influenced prog. That was part of the OP's point... that he didn't...Duh....
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:23
The Beatles influence cast a wider net. But I'd think one could make an argument (I won't, not here) that the progression of POP music influence goes something like Elvis, The Beatles, Michael Jackson. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:26
^ exactly Jim.  He is in the ballpark with the greatest of all. That is why we are all talking about him... that is why EVERYONE has been...all over the world. Don't kid yourself that it is because of the last years of his life... at a time like this... all that is forgotten... and everyone remembers just why he became the legend he was. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:27
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All that made Mike jackson in music was invented before,he was good in his style ,but not original,except maybe in his way of sing
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:28
| I thought prog influenced him |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 20:34
so what.... music is visceral... not intellectual. Prog fans have the reputation they do for trying TO MAKE what is meant to stimulate and provoke emotions... into something that it not meant to be..an intellectual exercise. That is what books for are for. Music is made for enjoyment.... nothing less.. nothing more. Who cares if he was not original. The point was...and always has been... can an artist make great music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 21:01
I think you need to read the initial post again. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 21:10
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I did.... that was the discussion he was having with the other guy.. not whether MJ was an influence on prog.. but whether his lack of influence on prog kept him from being considered AS influential on music as the Beatles were. that might just me though... that's how I read it.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 21:15
 oh well, I'm more into the fresh like Mayer thread now anyway.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 21:17
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oh fun..... maybe the dude can use you as an agent... his current one sucks. He might try a country-western forum next.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 21:49
I agree completely ------------- 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 22:55
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There are a lot of positive remarks on this thread I agree with. For one, yes, I think respect is due. His life became a circus, and he had enough fame and money to become as eccentric as he wanted. He also got eaten up by the hype machine - not that he resisted it. His solo music and with his brothers was sometimes quite sophisticated - Quincy Jones provided excellent production, and a friend of mine who plays bass said that ABC was one of the most difficult songs he'd ever learned (and this is from a guy who transcribed Telemann onto the electric bass). No, he wasn't Prog of course, nor did he have a direct influence on it, but a good number of our bands on this site have dipped into the waters of Pop, so something may have come through. Since Prog was more mainstream in the 70s than it is now, it did have a wide influence. I can't point out any specifics, but influences don't always come directly. I don't have any of his albums, and probably never will, not my style. I do think the guy has had an influence on music in general over the past 30 years - with his immense popularity, how could it not?
I think Magna Carta should get some of its artists together and do a tribute album. Or maybe Jon Anderson - his voice is in the same register (can't dance worth beans, though).  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: June 26 2009 at 23:21
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....no
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 00:29
Hell, maybe in a fringe kind of way... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 04:42
OP, where are you?? If I could just get an answer to this question. Then I can unsubscribe from this crazy thread, so inexplicably misconstrued by some. Jeez! ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 05:34
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The only connection I see with prog is Kevin Gilbert : http://www.kevingilbert.com/Discography/Discography.html - http://www.kevingilbert.com/Discography/Discography.html
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 06:08
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Great artist, innovative in music, video art and performance, but in my view the amount of prog in his music is close to zero, and the same goes for his influence on prog music.
Oh wait, I remember, that when Pendragon made Kow Tow, Nick Barrett said that he wanted to come across like a mix between Genesis and Michael Jackson. I don't think that we should take that too seriously, but even when it's true, it would only have made Pendragon less progressive in the sense that we know it.
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 06:24
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Good thing you edited, because I near broke a blood vessel. ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 07:13
| I don't know if he ever was a symphonic prog fan, but with aspects of his life like Neverland and his enchantment style of living, I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 07:25
| Come on, he was more a fan of Disney's musicals , not sympho-prog! |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 07:57
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No he didn't! ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:10
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Jackson was not nearly influential on music like some other famous artists. Not because he was lousy artist and entertainer - he wasn't - because he was too good in songwriting and production to be bothered with. I mean, is any of contemporary little pop "artists" remotely resembling all of Jacko's grandeur? I don't think so. The only one which was somewhat close in terms of quality while doing that type of funk/soul/jazz/rock/pop is Prince. On the other hand, I'm glad I don't hear much of his influence around. Take a look at all great, influential artists: Elvis, Chuck Berry, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Queen...they yielded to a countless herds of empty-headed, washed-out imitators (respect to the notable exceptions) who were borrowing the style but contributed next to nothing to the art of music. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:35
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Time to remove myself from thread notifications on this particulat one. -------------
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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:35
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Just because Michael Jackson sold mass of records does not mean he should influence every style of music that there is. Well, it depends on what you understand under the term 'music', if it is considered as music to which you can dance then, yes, Jackson influenced the whole music. Apart from that, culture is not ruled by the force of gravity of great masses. And Micky, you are right that music is made for enjoyment and not dissecting who influenced whom and who is secondary. I can apply this statement to prog. Who cares whether IQ are copies of Genesis or RPWL emulate Pink Floyd style. I just have another couple of songs in style I enjoy. ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:51
Prog metal band Lemur Voice did Beat it (genuine cover) on one of their albums. I couldn't believe it but it's true. Other than that, no role for MJ in our business I feel. ------------- A day without prog is a wasted day |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 12:04
| No word from OP. I no longer care. Unsubscribing, good bye. |
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 14:48
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Was Michael Jackson's music all that influential anyway? To me it sounds very much of its time - in the way that most pop music is. I notice that a lot of modern dancers grab their crotches - so I suppose he had an impact there. He used to say 'Ow' a lot - perhaps in conjunction with a crotch grab. Sure he was a great pop star, but as far as I can see he stands at the opposite end of musical scale to prog. ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 14:48
Yo, anyone, did Jamerson play bass on I Want You Back and ABC? That would account for the level of difficulty. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 15:18
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Hi,
I can easily tell you that Michael Jackson was aware of what we call progressive music, and thing ... and I know that he had listened to Space Pirate Radio many times ... and even had commented on it.
To my ear, the mixes of music he went on to make in the 80's that really made him big, is to me a sign of a man who had heard other things and had developed a really good ear for music and became a lot less afraid to mix it up ... which was one of the big things in a lot of music in those days ... than most of his peers and counterparts and specially Motown ... who is one of the worst labels when it comes to variation and different types of music ... but then, Barry made the label for himself, not others! We never discuss that!
In the end, his mixes with various other talents in music did the one thing that was not very common, and that was to mix music to such an extent ... that helped bring down the color barriers, which had been a massive issue in the 60's and even into the 70's ... up until that time, there were not many colored artists that sold in the rock areas or vice versa. Case closed ... it crosses and by its very existance forced one of the most visible changes in TV ... MTV had to wake up and realize that it was screwed up! ... and they should be big enough and honest enough to apologize and say thanks to Michael ... but they won't, they made their money off his music and videos. It just shows you how much respect there existed for other musics and musicians, specially colored folks at that time.
As such, someone that caused change where so many had given their lives, including Dr. Martin Luther King ... he is important, not only to "prog" but to a lot of music ... I'm not sure that he will ever be given credit for a lot ... for a while ... until the elvis'h rip offs get done ... I'm betting that there will be 4 albums of music and one of them is going to be massive (the 2nd one, not the 1st) ... so that more people can drain his heart and soul ... like they did.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 18:02
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Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 18:10
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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 23:18
Yes, James Jamerson played on almost everything that the Motown label put out back then, including the Jackson 5. As for the original question of the thread, Michael Jackson absolutely had no effect on progressive rock, but any musician or producer worth their salt should be influenced by, or at least have a deep appreciation for the brilliant Quincy Jones, who produced much of his solo work. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 06:40
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Just because he didn't influence prog doesn't mean he wasn't hugely influential. I wouldn't put him up on as high a pedestal as The Beatles, but he definitely influenced nearly every pop, r&b and rap artist after 1980, which is no small feat.
As far as him influencing prog, he really didn't. His career started at the end of the 60s, the same time as most of the classic prog groups, but he was a little kid singing motown songs written by other people. His style of singing was motown and r&b, which influenced some prog artists like Phil Collins in the 80s, but I wouldn't say it was Michael Jackson's work in the Jackson 5 that specifically influenced his early solo records.
Peter Gabriel, on the otherhand, may have been influenced a little bit dance-wise, if you watch some of his 80s concerts in which he incorporates dance coreography, something Micheal Jackson mastered like no other artist. It really wasn't until the 80s that Jackson had any sort of influence on prog artists. He worked with Paul McCartney on a few songs, and they probably influenced each other on those collaborations (before their falling out). I think Jackson's influence on prog was felt more visually than musically, namely in the long epic videos which eventually was used by rock bands both prog and non-prog. And as more and more prog bands became pop in the 80s and 90s, it's possible they were all somewhat influenced by "the king of pop" to some degree. (ie Yes 90125 and "The Calling" as mentioned above).
But I think we're neglecting to mention how much prog influenced Micheal Jackson. There's no doubt he was influenced by The Beatles to a large degree. The extravagent stage shows and epic songs/storylines were something that started becoming popular with prog and Michael Jackson incorporated some of that into his videos and pop songs. Some of the guitar playing on his songs (the finger tapping in Beat It for example) was influenced by prog. The blending of different styles of music, though not purely a progressive feature, was definitely made popular by prog of the 70s, and something Michael Jackson did often in his music. I would definitely say Michael Jackson was more influenced by prog than he influenced it.
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:03
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:43
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I love how any musician that is hugely famous is considered a large influence on music in general. MJ was typical music of the time who happened to make it big. If he didn't, I guarantee you someone else like him would have, and music would be exactly where it is now. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 09:57
Excellent vice versa dude. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 10:12
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I don't think it's necessary to be of a similar musical genre to be of influence. Many aspects can influence a musician, or inspire them. I truly believe Michael Jackson was of a much bigger influence than we prog folk give him credit for, and not just influentual to dance or pop acts. NIck Barrett (Pendragon) says he was influenced by him in his latest blog. http://www.pendragon.mu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647 W x |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:02
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:42
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Gianthogweed and moshkito made the best posts here. He was a huge part of breaking down prejudices in the states, and made music videos what they are. I would not say he has a direct influence on much of what we call 'progressive rock' but anyone that big who is heard by that many people has an influence on almost all music made after or during their time. An artist is influenced by an amalgamation of all they hear, and everyone has heard Micheal Jackson, whether they like it or not. I'm really pissed off by all of the jokes going on now, not on this site, but many of the statuses on FB and whatnot are just crude and disrespectful. It sickens me. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 22:43
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Soirry but it's absurd.
Influence in what?
Style: MJ's Pop is the opposite style to any Prog band
Structuiure: Not at all
Performance: MJ doesn't play a single instrument.
Similarities: Not a single one
Purpose: One is mainly for dancing, the other absolutely not.
So it's not prejudice, it's a fact, Michael Jackson's music has absolutely nothing in common with Prog.
This doesn't mesan one is good and the other is bad, simply that both are radically different.
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 00:15
| do you really think i was calling people prejudice? |
Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:10
He played keyboards, guitar and bass. I don't want to praise the guy too much because he was a sick and disturbed individual, but his contribution to music was undeniable, if overrated by some. And I wouldn't say his style was opposite to any prog band.
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Posted By: Etneciv
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 09:28
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I would say no, but if he did, he didn't influence the right way. ------------- Imagination is the key to my lyrics, the rest is painted with a little science fiction - Jimi Hendrix |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 10:02
I haven't seen him performing in any live act.
Not opposite?
Do you believe King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc have something in common with him?
Please, the next thing will be somebody askkig "Michael Jackson Prog Related?" Because if he influenced, he can be added to PR.
Iván
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:40
My thoughts exactly -------------
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Posted By: Ukeyful
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:01
| i guess his 'prog'ressingly bad health ultimately led to his death. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:57
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Posted By: mattmcl
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 13:02
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I'm curious. You say
the debate was raging and you "said" MJ had no influence on your kind
of music. When you said that, what did they say? Did anyone say,
"yeah, he probably didn't have much influence in Prague." Seriously, what was their reaction? OP, where are you?? If I could just get an answer to this question. Then I can unsubscribe from this crazy thread, so inexplicably misconstrued by some. Jeez! My coworker claimed that Jackson was the most influential musician since The Beatles, and had influenced every form of rock. I said he didn't influence MY music. The coworker eventually dropped the argument when he realized he hadn't heard of any of the bands I brought up. |
Posted By: ChitWinterwheat
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:27
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PLEASSEEE!!! whatever next......Donny Osmond influenced Death Metal?
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Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:28
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Michael Jackson did for Progressive Rock as much as Adolf Hitler did for world peace.
Not much.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:33
Exactly.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:39
Wikipedia says he played the drums on Beat It, but there's no source. I don't have the booklet here now so I can't check. Anyway, he was capable of playing multiple instruments.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 18:21
Not quite, but we certainly can't deny that Eminem influenced jazz -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 18:32
Even if he did play the drums on Beat It, that's nothing. I've never touched a drum kit (or a child for that matter) before and I think I could play the drums on that. That isn't a song that makes me say "Wow this guy's a great drummer!" -------------
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Posted By: muhamad dlai
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 19:37
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maybe the video concept... as a short movie. but maybe prog influenced his work, i think... he wasn't a instrument player, as we know..put on. but his ideas and energy in his work enhanced his work... art works with an crucial element. everything. exclude him can be an error, but i cant see him as a MAIN influence anyway.. ------------- "llrr lrlr rrllrrlrl lrlrrlrlrlrr... at the end are just senseless letters... " |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 21:06
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Prog Related influenced
 Hey, he plays Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 21:16
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 03:14
That was not the point. Anyway, his music was always groove over complexity, and assuming that he did play drums on Beat It, he was a pretty damn grooving drummer. I don't think I could really nail that beat even though I play drums every day. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 03:25
He wasn't a virtuoso or anything, but he was a songwriter and lifelong professional musician, it's not surprising that he picked up a few instruments along the way. But he was always a first and foremost a singer and dancer in concert.
Well, they all made their careers in music, and nearly all of those bands delved in pop music. That's something in common, hardly opposite.
Everything is related to everything, and everything that came before influenced everything that came after to some degree, whether directly or indirectly. The more popular the artist the larger the influence. It's pretty unavoidable. Even artists who hated The Beatles were indirectly influenced by them, simply by the fact that they hated them. Same goes for Michael Jackson. But like I said, he was more influenced by prog than the other way around. This doesn't mean he should be added to progarchives. He stuck too close to the pop format musically, and I don't think he should even be considered rock.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 06:34
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 13:27
I insist OPPOSITE, all Michael Jackson's career was Pop, while most of the career oof the above mentioned artists was made in Prog, and even when they had some Pop albums and/or songs, they had absolutely no relation with Michael Jackson's POP
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 17:03
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I first thought this thread was something as a "crazy joke", but I can´t believe that somebody may dare to state that MJ has really influenced prog music.
As someone said in the beginning of this thread: WTF?
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 19:27
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Question: Did Michael Jackson influence prog?
Answer: LOL
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