Genesis were bad to its fans.

One thing we all have to remember I think is when you are in a band or going solo, you make new music all the time. One album is a little different then the other one. You want as a musician play your new music at GIG's to show the fans and the audience what you have made new. And maybe when you tour the world or whatever. I would think the it's a bit " dissapointing" to hear all the time ...... Play this or play that ....I'm not a musician but i would have thought like that anyway.

Another thing about Genesis and the members. I agreed with you in some parts. That they maybe should have stayed to their roots. I lke the PG and SH era most. Some of the music after was a bit poppy for my taste. But if you take it for what it is. A step forward to the POP business to earn money. We can like it or not.

That said, if it's true what you said about PC shouting to the audience, it's not good off course, but maybe a bit frustation over what I earlier mentioned. Remember Roger Waters spitting on audience.

And one last thing, remember what happened to Bob Dylan after changing from Acustic to electric music. We as fans have our responsibilities to.

And just to mention it Michael Jackson died yesterday, that's sad even if we liked him or not

IIRC band politics had a fair bit to do with it as well. After Peter left, Tony became more or less the major creative force. At around the time of WAW the band was split because Tony and Mike, having tasted the success of ToTT, were very much interested in turning their music in a more commercial direction, while Phil and Steve were pretty adamant about staying the course. This pokes through a bit on WAW (Your Own Special Way...), but of course Steve wasn't very happy with the band and decided to quit, meaning that Tony and Mike now outnumbered Phil, and the more commercial avenue was set. Ironically enough, Phil was, of course, the one who would end up profiting the most from this new direction, but apparently he wasn't a fan originally.

I'm trying to remember if that's something I saw in an interview or if it's just a piece of knowledge I picked up back when I used to bang around the official Genesis forums. Either way it may not be true, so if someone could confirm one way or the other that would be cool.

Also, on a completely unrelated point, I heard Dancing With the Moonlit Knight on the radio today... they cut out the last two minutes or so though

Actually I guess it's not totally unrelated, because I do think it's interesting how today 70s Genesis gets more airplay than 80s Genesis, at least around here

Cristi wrote: BaldFriede wrote: I am a bit surprised that there have been so many posts in this, but no-one mentions the situation the band was in when they changed their sound. Genesis were not only bankrupt, they were left with a big minus on their bank account from tours that turned out to be too expensive, and there was the next contractual album looming above them. What would YOU have done in that situation?   wow, I've never heard of that. it's well known that that they did not make a lot of money during their progressive era, but still never thought of them as being bankrupt.

I am a bit surprised that there have been so many posts in this, but no-one mentions the situation the band was in when they changed their sound. Genesis were not only bankrupt, they were left with a big minus on their bank account from tours that turned out to be too expensive, and there was the next contractual album looming above them. What would YOU have done in that situation?

Huh?  If a band is bad to its fans, there won't be any for too much longer.

They weren't bad to me. They've brought me much happiness over the years. There are numerous reasons why I can easily forgive them for Invisible Touch, and We Cant Dance. They are listed as follows..

Trespass
Nursery Cryme
Foxtrot
Genesis Live
Selling England by the Pound
The Lamb Lies down on Broadway
A Trick of the Tail
Wind & Wuthering
Seconds Out
..and then there were three
Duke

...you get the idea..

As someone who discovered Genesis through their MTV videos as a child I must say, I love 80's Genesis! In fact, as I grew older and started to investigate their 70's works I was quite dismayed by what I heard. I didn't like it much at all. That's all changed now and I love both decades for the band quite equally.

Now I might have a different opinion if I had discovered the band at their inception (impossible, because I wasn't born yet), but because I discovered the band at their "weakest" stage (as this site seems to proclaim as gospel) and established a connection to that music I have a nostalgic attachment for those songs.

Genesis were bad to it's fans.
They ran them over with a truck and the fan blades bent and the fans stopped working

moshkito wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: This is an issue i'd like to address. Fans get irate about the change in direction Genesis took in the 80s,  Collins Banks and Rutherford counter argue that bands change. This retort may appear a reasonable statement by itself, but they managed it in an unreasonable way;   You gotta love it ... so because some fans got irate ... the artists stink? Ohhh, so Beethoven never changed? Mozart? Sibelius? Lizst?   What bothers me here is this ... what gives a fan, the right to tell me what to compose for his/her pleasure? If you don't like Picasso ... too bad ... go get a picture of an onion for your kitchen! Or a Playboy fold out for your bathroom ... this way at least these artists are of some personal use to you ... regardless of what that is, hey?   I see this behaviour as arrogant.   I'm really sorry ... but this is far more arrogant than the artist himself/herself.   IF ... and that is a big IF ... you feel that any music, or art,  is there to kiss you and nothing else ... then I am not sure that you will "EVER" appreciate any artists for what they do or did ... because you want something that they are not capable of doing, or have no desire to do ...   You know what bugs me on this? .... it is posted on a "progressive" board ... where the discussion is about the open minded-ness that helps create new musics, new experiences ... and this is like saying ... you can't do that!   There was in the one "Behind the Music" about Metallica ... and someone asked them ... "you sold out" ... and the reply was ... yeah! every night!.   One more thing ... if you have such a strong opinion about an art form and artists involved, why are you not creating your own, instead of expecting others to do it for you?

Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 12 2009 at 21:38