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Sean Trane 
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20252 |
 Topic: Is closing threads a good solution ...Posted: September 12 2006 at 03:15 |
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Damn you people, how dare you fight when my back is turned.
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I wanted a piece of the action too!
 Now that all the fun is over...........  On the more serious side of things:
Philippe, I tried time and time again to tell you that you go much farther in achieving your goals with diplomacy than open warfare. You keep digging your own grave.
A year ago, I saved your ass by being the only one defending you. But your repeated offensives against what YOU feel is right or wrong, is likely to make me regretting standing up for you.
I think that your stance held its own and was actually right. But your name calling makes you take away whatever rethorical advantages of your position.
As Bob says, you are your own worst ennemy.
More in PM if you wish
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:22 |
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One thing I have to make clear about that statement... NOBODY here is untouchable,there are people who are walking a very fine line,thinking that we won't dare deal with them accordingly.And that is just not true. I don't like to close threads,but when one degenerates like the thread in question did,sometimes it's impossible to just delete posts and still keep the thread coherent.Especially when alot of people quote offensive posts,because if you are quoting a post that was offensive your post has to be deleted too.Better to just close it and hope another thread will be started again and not ruined by a bunch of people. Edited by TheProgtologist - September 11 2006 at 17:24 |
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NutterAlert
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Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2808 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:17 |
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this thread should close now
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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Angelo
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:04 |
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Great! Did anybody attempt to revive our good discussion yet?
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 16:54 |
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Noted MF.
As I'm sure you'll appreciate, the Admin team do indulge in a lot of discussion behind the scenes about the best way to handle specific situations.
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 15:16 |
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I think you misunderstood my meaning, Bob, i did go onto say "as long as no one is insulted, knowingly or unknowingly - under those circumstances the offenders should be warned publicly and made to apologise, without embarrassment to the thread starter by having his/her thread "locked",
i would support the interference of mods when the occasion deems it, when posts become personally abusive, but not to unnecessarily interrupt the flow of a good discussion.
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:17 |
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damnit... means I wasn't obnoxious enough... .back to the drawing board.... anyway... since I lost my partner to the corporate ladder... I've settled into a corner office and plot now global domination by all things RPI ahhahahah |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:12 |
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I wasn't referring to you buddy (although, I did think of you while writing it  ). You're antics are in fun, and don't get specifically abusive. Heck, I'm right there with you a lot of the time.
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 13:08 |
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hahahha.. I know....  |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 12:53 |
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No matter what side of an opinion I may be on, abusive language, and childish mayhem add nothing to a discussion. It inflames people, and any usefulness of the thread gets lost. I stand behind the moderators for their efforts. The topic can always be started again. I do believe that the more obnoxious posters should be dealt with. It seems to me that there are some habitual offenders, who never face a reprimand.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 12:19 |
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If you wish to participate in an unmoderated forum, you'll need to look elsewhere MF. The admin team will continue to "interfere" when we think people have contravened the rules. We are committed to allowing/supporting/encouraging healthy, even heated debate, as long as it is civil and constructive.
Philippe, you can be your own worst enemy at times. If you would refrain from using abusive terms and names to refer to other members, I'm sure your would provoke useful discussion. The points you make are (almost) always valid, and intended for the betterment of the site. It is such a shame that you choose to detract from them by adding insults and side swipes at the members you feel are in in the wrong. Inevitably people will spend time defending themselves, protesting at your insults, and in the case of the admin team trying to calm things down, when we could all be talking about the points you raise.
Peter, thanks for the support, it is much appreciated!
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Peter
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:48 |
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I didn't read the thread (but I'm curious now, naturally), but I will say this in defense of GR: being a Mod is a tough job, and you'll never please all of the people you "police."
Also, I'm not saying that any "mistakes" were made by GR, but of course our hard-working moderators are human too. They can err, can arguably over-react, but they can also learn from experience, reconsider, etc.
I couldn't be a mod. I'd need a thicker skin, more patience, and even more time away from other important things (family, work, reading, etc). I appaud all of our moderators for their selfless dedication to this site. They care, and they try to help -- and 99.9% of the time, I think they do just that.
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:24 |
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Please forgive me for saying that - but aren't oliver and you a minority as far as your opinion about prog metal is concerned? I mean, there were *numerous* polls about whether prog metal belongs here or not, and the result was beyond any doubt. What I really don't understand is: Why can't you just ignore prog metal? |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:22 |
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Starting a new thread means that all the good content of the previous thread is lost. But I guess that's a general problem of forums. They're simply not a good platform for "static" content ... eventually all threads will fade into obscurity.  |
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:20 |
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*puts on the white jacket and pulls out a chair* no one here is happy with everything that goes on here.... the stuff that doesn't interest me.... like the wholesale inclusion of anything metal with the slightest hint of prog.... into here bothers me.. but it's not my thing so I dont' sweat it. Other things are more dear to my heart.. and will fight tooth and nail for.. and have gone over the line in doing so. I'd just take a step back and fight when you can.. and accept what you can't fight... My two cents as always... |
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Atkingani
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:18 |
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Sometimes only the deletion or hiding of an abusive post is enough but in other cases when the scene becomes very polluted with agressions being exchanged and a clear deviation from the topic subject the closing is the best choice. Maybe contenders could calm down and re-start the original discussion in another thread.
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philippe
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:07 |
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forum not the site...I think it's better for a large part of members...I will keep contact by PM. I'm just terribly tired and feel sorry... but I can't understand some controversial directions taken, that's too much especially if just a minority is speaking for others.
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Raff
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:04 |
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I suppose it is very hard to understand that no one here has been taking rather drastic action because they are paladins of one subgenre as opposed to the other. Aforesaid action was taken because of the use of unacceptably strong language towards other members. If any of you think it is acceptable to call other people "littleheads", then I'll just have to accept the fact that we are from different planets...
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Jimbo
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:00 |
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C'mon, Philippe. I'm sure nobody wants that to happen. You're a huge asset to the site. You just need to realize that everyone has his own idea of what constitutes progressive music. I'm sure there isn't a single person here who considers every band in the archives prog -- I sure as hell don't. The difference between us is that I really don't give a damn. Just relax a bit, and things will look a lot brighter. |
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 10:00 |
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your decision I guess.... if you feel like the need to spew venom about something you obviously don't like is worth giving up all the time you've spent here spent here discussing what you DO like then good luck and come back if you change your mind. ahhaha.. nice farewell post though... so 'prog' in nature..  |
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