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Poll Question: Please vote for up to five liked albums (or more if wanted)
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
4 [5.63%]
7 [9.86%]
2 [2.82%]
2 [2.82%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [2.82%]
1 [1.41%]
2 [2.82%]
2 [2.82%]
0 [0.00%]
5 [7.04%]
3 [4.23%]
12 [16.90%]
5 [7.04%]
6 [8.45%]
3 [4.23%]
2 [2.82%]
7 [9.86%]
5 [7.04%]
1 [1.41%]
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    Posted: 2 hours 3 minutes ago at 13:46
^ Thanks, I had forgotten about that. I almost went with "Ruins".
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Henry Cow's contribution is in fact a BBC Radio 1 session so not recorded in front of an audience as such.  From the Concerts album then I would go with 'Ruins'.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 3 hours 11 minutes ago at 12:38
I could vote for about half of this selection. My picks:

Magma
Tangerine Dream
Henry Cow
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Kansas
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Thanks Jared and Lewian et al.

I really liked hearing both of those BJH live tracks. Of the two tracks, not only had I not heard the lives before yesterday, of the two I actually had only known the studio version of Medicine Man before.

As for Renaissance's "Ashes Are Burning". Ashes Are Burning is one of my very favourite Renaissance tracks, and I love how much this live varies from the studio version. I commonly favour lives that had not been released on studio albums before, where the live differs considerably from the studio versions, and just generally where it is a unique performance. Both the studio and this live are each brilliant in their own ways, as well as in the ways they are the same/ overlap. That could be phrased better.

As for the Gnidrolog, I love the studio version of I Could Never Ba a Soldier (A fave song of mine) and am checking out that live version now. Thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 3 hours 51 minutes ago at 11:58
Gnidrolog - I could never be a soldier (live)

Off the Live 1972 album.... a great version at 13.20
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 3 hours 59 minutes ago at 11:50
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

So much good stuff! Ashes are Burning was my first impulse, so I'll vote for that, and then dunno. I may well come back voting for more as there are certainly more than five worth voting for.

I always find it very difficult not to vote for a piece of prime Renaissance in these polls, as I never feel they get quite the amount of love they deserve...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 1 minutes ago at 11:48
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 Three of those in PA's top ten I knew quite well, the BJH live was new to me. Based on one listen to it, I was happy with my choice and never would have thought to put all of side one together as piece of music in two sections or as a suite. Maybe I don't see as much connection between these tracks as you do.

The whole of the first side of BJH Live 1974, with SS rolled into Medicine Man is an excellent performance and in both cases, definite improvements on their respective studio versions... I'm pleased you included them and I could have quite easily voted for them (maybe I should have done so, as Yes will always garner votes anyway).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 3 minutes ago at 11:46
So much good stuff! Ashes are Burning was my first impulse, so I'll vote for that, and then dunno. I may well come back voting for more as there are certainly more than five worth voting for.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Grobschnitt (CANNOT believe that mine was the first vote... what is WRONG with you people?)


I was late.


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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Grobschnitt (CANNOT believe that mine was the first vote... what is WRONG with you people?)


I was late.
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Tangerine Dream, Ricochet, straight to the top.

ii. ELP "KE9" (WBMFttSTNE)
iii. Kansas "Song for America" (TftS)
iv. Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise" (Yessongs)
v. Grobschnitt, "Solar Music II" (SM-L)
vi. Frank Zappa, "Be-Bop Tango..." (RoE)
vii. Hawkwind, "Brainstorm" (SR)
viii. Genesis, "Firth of Fifth" (SO)
ix. Miles Davis, "Prelude" (Agharta)
x. Camel, "La Princesse Perdue" (ALR)
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Thanks all. ^ yes, I went with the Zappa loving the beginning and thinking some find it interesting due to the audience reaction when going through the playlist, but I could do without that too.


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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Barclay James Harvest "Summer Soldier" Barclay James Harvest Live (Live, 1974)
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Hi,

Strange to see this listed and the piece right after "Medicine Man" left behind ... it should be the whole side or it won't matter. That version of MM is fantastic.


Of course I am happy to see people try to vote for five from the list if they can (or more or less) and mention any other choices. I actually find it quite strange that you would expect those two tracks to be listed together as an option given my approach. Strange would have I think equalled, "Given what I know of your approach, and how you tend to do things, and maybe based on what music you are most into, I would have expected such-and-such." Not sure why given my approach it "should" be as you say, and I hope you take the time to enlighten me. But I guess you just mean, that it looked strange to you, maybe not based on what seems most obviously rational given the premise.

They seem to be separate songs to me and even come from different studio albums. And I have not looked for video which combines the two as one song.

What's strange-looking to me about my poll, which maybe I should have delved more deeply into in my OP so people would understand better what I was going for and then be less likely to find the results strange, but already it risks being "too long, didn't read" is that some of these which can be treated as one piece (like an epic) or a suite is that in some cases I have releases where the piece or suite was broken up on albums and I have it in full form, whereas in others I have part of it. I have a piece of The Snow Goose, but both parts of Ricochet. I could have gone with a broken up version of Osorezan under different track names but it is one epic and I have a video with the whole live epic.. I did tie that in with the playlist and what I found that I could or wanted to work with. While I like to listen to full album, including full live albums, a problem with making a playlist with such long videos as I have is that it makes it harder for people to find the time to listen to what already is there (as some tasters based on my tastes)).

BY the way, of course the top ten were my particular choices and the PA charts determined the other ten. Three of those in PA's top ten I knew quite well, the BJH live was new to me. Based on one listen to it, I was happy with my choice and never would have thought to put all of side one together as piece of music in two sections or as a suite. Maybe I don;t see as much connection between these tracks as you do.

Maybe I should have just done this as individual tracks to avoid any confusion, and I guess I'm not really following your argument based on my OP for why those two should be combined. Of course the easiest way it just to do albums, but this exercise is more challenging and individualistic for me and I like to do things differently.

Maybe I should listen again to those two tracks to hear how they work together as this was based on one spin of the album. Or maybe my intent/ thinking did not come through well enough in the OP. Even as is, this poll took quite a few hours to foment. Sorry if it turned out badly or strangely. Anyway, hopefully someone will discover something they like thanks to this and find some music that they enjoy from the list and mention others that they like (in that case, embeds or links to youtube are much appreciated).

If it seems illogical given my approach not to include all of side A for BJH, well then that probably just comes down to my ignorance.

Edited by Logan - 5 hours 6 minutes ago at 10:43
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Welcome Back My Friends is my absolute favourite live album and the version of Karn Evil 9 is an undiluted delight but the version of So Sincere on Playing The Fool is really beautiful also and deserves to be mentioned as a great expansion on the original. Be-Bop Tango starts off fantastic but I could personally do without most of the audience participation section
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 7 hours 14 minutes ago at 08:35
Blimey.... a poll from Greg where I could have voted for half of them!!

TD > Grobschnitt (CANNOT believe that mine was the first vote... what is WRONG with you people?) > Renaissance > Yes > GG
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Genesis - Firth of Fifth
Yes - Heart of the Sunrise
Renaissance - Ashes are Burning

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 7 minutes ago at 06:42
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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In the case of Tangerine Dream, while the original release at least has Ricochet in two tracks, I would rather have it in one and I have a video with both parts so doing it for both parts. Not sure how much of that album is "properly live" rather than studio, but it is listed as a live. 
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Hi,

Never thought of it as a touched up piece, specially at the time, however, I think that it was rushed out to try and take the shine off the number of bootlegs on TD at the time, since we knew that they could not quite duplicate things on stage, and all their early shows were quite different, until a bit later during Stratosfear when they finally had better equipment, instead of more gorillas on stage!

By that time, if you can believe it, I had 4 boots of their stuff and it was all excellent, regardless ... however, I will have to listen to Ricochet again (haven't heard it in 100 years!) and see what I can remember. I kinda wish I still had those boots, though it seems like their Eastgate Music Group has already released a lot of that early live stuff ... and not waste it in the long run! However, I have to admit that I have not heard many of those early releases by the band's grouping. There is a certain feeling I get from that group these days, that is not on par with the music, and the art ... and I can not exactly put my ginfer on it! I imagine that the Eastgate Music Group TD folks don't want it all released, as it will take away from the vastly inferior work they are doing ... and not releasing the evening series they have (long cuts with visuals) almost all of them being really good and more TD than the current version ever will be, which is too mechanical and metallic (equipment ... ) for me!


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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Barclay James Harvest "Summer Soldier" Barclay James Harvest Live (Live, 1974)
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Strange to see this listed and the piece right after "Medicine Man" left behind ... it should be the whole side or it won't matter. That version of MM is fantastic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 48 minutes ago at 03:01
What a great selection.  My first love has to be ELP closely followed by Henry Cow (lucky to see them do this live early 77).  Love that Magma track as well but discovered much later in life.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Sky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 hours 43 minutes ago at 01:06
ELP: Karn Evil 9. Such a great piece of music. Love this live version.
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Hawkwind - Brainstorm
ELP - Karn Evil 9
Gentle Giant - So Sincere
Tangerine Dream "Ricochet (parts 1 and 2)

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