20 Live Pieces Released in the 1970s
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Topic: 20 Live Pieces Released in the 1970s
Posted By: Logan
Subject: 20 Live Pieces Released in the 1970s
Date Posted: April 06 2025 at 16:03
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For this topic I took nine of my favourite live "prog" albums that were released in the the 1970s, plus one non-Prog (Douji Morita) one I love for variety, and went with a favourite track or piece. Then I went through the PA charts for the top love album of the 1970s there and choose a song/piece/ track off each live. PA's chart also has Ricochet and Hhai listed in it top ten 70s live albums, so I skipped those for its list, and Miles Davis' Black Magus would have been included had I not included another Miles Davis in my list. And second Zappa could have played in but I just wanted the one top ranked album per act. In the case of Tangerine Dream, while the original release at least has Ricochet in two tracks, I would rather have it in one and I have a video with both parts so doing it for both parts. Not sure how much of that album is "properly live" rather than studio, but it is listed as a live. For others like The Snow Goose portion of Camel's A Live Record, that could be treated like a suite, but I'm going with a favourite Camel part and it follows what I have found on youtube. And I could have gone with a more broken down version of ELP's. Solar Music Live can be thought of as a suite (and the track Solar Music has more than one part), but going with my favourite part, but had I found, say, all three of these parts on youtube, then I would have added that. While both Prog Archives and Rate Your Music rank Seconds Out higher than Genesis Live (Seconds out is ranked fifth for the 70s and Genesis live is at 22, I much prefer Genesis Live. With Renaissance, I adore Mother Russia and Scheherazade, but I like how different Ashes Are Burning is from the studio counterpart on this live. My top 10 Magma "Hhaï" Magma Live (released 1975) Tangerine Dream "Ricochet (parts 1 and 2)" Ricochet (released 1975) Area "Cometa rossa" Are(A)zione (released 1975) Hawkwind "Brainstorm" Space Ritual (released 1975) Geinoh Yamashirogumi "Osorezan" Live ''Hirakareta Gassho'' Junen No Tenkai (released 1979) Miles Davis "Prelude (Parts One and Two) Agharta (released 1975) Kraan "Lonesome Liftboy" Kraan Live (released 1975) Gong "Master Builder" Live Etc (released 1977) Henry Cow "Beautiful as the Moon, Terrible as an Army with Banners" Concerts (released 1976) Douji Morita "Sentimental Street センチメンタル通り" Tokyo Cathedral Saint Mary Live (released 1978) (not in PA) PA's Top Ten (nit including any that found its way into my top ten) Gentle Giant "So Sincere" Playing the Fool - The Official Live (released 1977) Grobschnitt "Solar Music II" Solar Music - Live (released 1978)* Yes "Heart of the Sunrise" Yessongs (released 1973) Frank Zappa "Be-Bop Tango (Of The Old Jazzmen's Church)" Roxy & Elsewhere (released 1974) Genesis "Firth of Fifth" Seconds Out (released 1977)* Camel "La Princesse Perdue" A Live Record (released 1978) Kansas "Song for America" Two for the Show (released 1978) Emerson Lake & Palmer "Karn Evil 9 (i. 1st Impression, ii. 2nd Impression, iii. 3rd Impression)" Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends (released 1974) Renaissance "Ashes Are Burning" Live at Carnegie Hall (released 1976) Barclay James Harvest "Summer Soldier" Barclay James Harvest Live (Live, 1974) Multiple choice enabled: Please try to vote for five tracks if you can, but more or less is fine too. Also I would like to hear about other 70s songs/tracks/pieces off live releases that you enjoy either if they are different songs from the albums I chose or different albums altogether. Here is a playlist with all of the selections in the poll. You don't need to check any of this out before voting, or know much to vote, but some might wish to (all tracks can be found at least in my region in the embed). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4Jn6zs8EixYpfhOsQQxE3mk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4Jn6zs8EixYpfhOsQQxE3mk ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 06 2025 at 16:33
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The top ten are all loved by me, and of the other ten Camel's Live Record and the Renaissance has meant the most to me. The one I barely knew (or remembered) live that impressed me the most is the ELP. I actually love this live and so my icy heart has warmed to ELP again (I always liked the debut and certain music off Trilogy at least). That Gentle Giant album I once liked considerably but is hard going for me now. I do like early era Gentle Giant playing the most (first few albums). GG can get too show-offy for me. Used to like that Solaris album, and still love my choice of track, but not keen on the vocals generally and the album sounds quite cheesy to me now on the whole. And I don't know about that Genesis, sounds too slick to me. I prefer Gabriel era live Genesis, and Gabriel-era Genesis generally. Yessongs was a nice listen and I went with one of the Yes songs that has meant the most to me . Of my top ten, returning to (Are(A)zione) was the highlight. It has been a while and Area is just so good. I have a much better quality album version of that Geinoh Y..., but I do not wish to upload. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 06 2025 at 16:43
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1. Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning 2. Barclay James Harvest - Summer Soldier 3. Genesis - Firth of Fifth 4. Yes - Heart of the Sunrise 5. Tangerine Dream - Ricochet
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 06 2025 at 21:00
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I have such fond memories of my time with that Area album. Voted for that along with Magma and Kraan. I then voted for the two classic symphonic tracks by Genesis and Yes. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 00:11
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Hawkwind - Brainstorm ELP - Karn Evil 9 Gentle Giant - So Sincere Tangerine Dream "Ricochet (parts 1 and 2)
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Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 01:06
| ELP: Karn Evil 9. Such a great piece of music. Love this live version. |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 03:01
| What a great selection. My first love has to be ELP closely followed by Henry Cow (lucky to see them do this live early 77). Love that Magma track as well but discovered much later in life. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 06:32
Hi, Strange to see this listed and the piece right after "Medicine Man" left behind ... it should be the whole side or it won't matter. That version of MM is fantastic. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Logan wrote:Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 06:42
Hi, Never thought of it as a touched up piece, specially at the time, however, I think that it was rushed out to try and take the shine off the number of bootlegs on TD at the time, since we knew that they could not quite duplicate things on stage, and all their early shows were quite different, until a bit later during Stratosfear when they finally had better equipment, instead of more gorillas on stage! By that time, if you can believe it, I had 4 boots of their stuff and it was all excellent, regardless ... however, I will have to listen to Ricochet again (haven't heard it in 100 years!) and see what I can remember. I kinda wish I still had those boots, though it seems like their Eastgate Music Group has already released a lot of that early live stuff ... and not waste it in the long run! However, I have to admit that I have not heard many of those early releases by the band's grouping. There is a certain feeling I get from that group these days, that is not on par with the music, and the art ... and I can not exactly put my ginfer on it! I imagine that the Eastgate Music Group TD folks don't want it all released, as it will take away from the vastly inferior work they are doing ... and not releasing the evening series they have (long cuts with visuals) almost all of them being really good and more TD than the current version ever will be, which is too mechanical and metallic (equipment ... ) for me!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 06:53
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Genesis - Firth of Fifth Yes - Heart of the Sunrise Renaissance - Ashes are Burning ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 08:35
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Blimey.... a poll from Greg where I could have voted for half of them!! TD > Grobschnitt (CANNOT believe that mine was the first vote... what is WRONG with you people?) > Renaissance > Yes > GG ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 08:45
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Welcome Back My Friends is my absolute favourite live album and the version of Karn Evil 9 is an undiluted delight but the version of So Sincere on Playing The Fool is really beautiful also and deserves to be mentioned as a great expansion on the original. Be-Bop Tango starts off fantastic but I could personally do without most of the audience participation section . ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 09:53
Thanks all. ^ yes, I went with the Zappa loving the beginning and thinking some find it interesting due to the audience reaction when going through the playlist, but I could do without that too.
Of course I am happy to see people try to vote for five from the list if they can (or more or less) and mention any other choices. I actually find it quite strange that you would expect those two tracks to be listed together as an option given my approach. Strange would have I think equalled, "Given what I know of your approach, and how you tend to do things, and maybe based on what music you are most into, I would have expected such-and-such." Not sure why given my approach it "should" be as you say, and I hope you take the time to enlighten me. But I guess you just mean, that it looked strange to you, maybe not based on what seems most obviously rational given the premise. They seem to be separate songs to me and even come from different studio albums. And I have not looked for video which combines the two as one song. What's strange-looking to me about my poll, which maybe I should have delved more deeply into in my OP so people would understand better what I was going for and then be less likely to find the results strange, but already it risks being "too long, didn't read" is that some of these which can be treated as one piece (like an epic) or a suite is that in some cases I have releases where the piece or suite was broken up on albums and I have it in full form, whereas in others I have part of it. I have a piece of The Snow Goose, but both parts of Ricochet. I could have gone with a broken up version of Osorezan under different track names but it is one epic and I have a video with the whole live epic.. I did tie that in with the playlist and what I found that I could or wanted to work with. While I like to listen to full album, including full live albums, a problem with making a playlist with such long videos as I have is that it makes it harder for people to find the time to listen to what already is there (as some tasters based on my tastes)). BY the way, of course the top ten were my particular choices and the PA charts determined the other ten. Three of those in PA's top ten I knew quite well, the BJH live was new to me. Based on one listen to it, I was happy with my choice and never would have thought to put all of side one together as piece of music in two sections or as a suite. Maybe I don;t see as much connection between these tracks as you do. Maybe I should have just done this as individual tracks to avoid any confusion, and I guess I'm not really following your argument based on my OP for why those two should be combined. Of course the easiest way it just to do albums, but this exercise is more challenging and individualistic for me and I like to do things differently. Maybe I should listen again to those two tracks to hear how they work together as this was based on one spin of the album. Or maybe my intent/ thinking did not come through well enough in the OP. Even as is, this poll took quite a few hours to foment. Sorry if it turned out badly or strangely. Anyway, hopefully someone will discover something they like thanks to this and find some music that they enjoy from the list and mention others that they like (in that case, embeds or links to youtube are much appreciated). If it seems illogical given my approach not to include all of side A for BJH, well then that probably just comes down to my ignorance. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:33
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Tangerine Dream, Ricochet, straight to the top. ii. ELP "KE9" (WBMFttSTNE) iii. Kansas "Song for America" (TftS) iv. Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise" (Yessongs) v. Grobschnitt, "Solar Music II" (SM-L) vi. Frank Zappa, "Be-Bop Tango..." (RoE) vii. Hawkwind, "Brainstorm" (SR) viii. Genesis, "Firth of Fifth" (SO) ix. Miles Davis, "Prelude" (Agharta) x. Camel, "La Princesse Perdue" (ALR) ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:34
I was late.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:40
 ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:46
| So much good stuff! Ashes are Burning was my first impulse, so I'll vote for that, and then dunno. I may well come back voting for more as there are certainly more than five worth voting for. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:48
The whole of the first side of BJH Live 1974, with SS rolled into Medicine Man is an excellent performance and in both cases, definite improvements on their respective studio versions... I'm pleased you included them and I could have quite easily voted for them (maybe I should have done so, as Yes will always garner votes anyway). ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:50
I always find it very difficult not to vote for a piece of prime Renaissance in these polls, as I never feel they get quite the amount of love they deserve... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 11:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo7xLEmdD2U" rel="nofollow - Gnidrolog - I could never be a soldier (live) Off the Live 1972 album.... a great version at 13.20 ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 12:22
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Thanks Jared and Lewian et al. I really liked hearing both of those BJH live tracks. Of the two tracks, not only had I not heard the lives before yesterday, of the two I actually had only known the studio version of Medicine Man before. As for Renaissance's "Ashes Are Burning". Ashes Are Burning is one of my very favourite Renaissance tracks, and I love how much this live varies from the studio version. I commonly favour lives that had not been released on studio albums before, where the live differs considerably from the studio versions, and just generally where it is a unique performance. Both the studio and this live are each brilliant in their own ways, as well as in the ways they are the same/ overlap. That could be phrased better. As for the Gnidrolog, I love the studio version of I Could Never Ba a Soldier (A fave song of mine) and am checking out that live version now. Thanks.  ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 12:38
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I could vote for about half of this selection. My picks: Magma Tangerine Dream Henry Cow Yes Kansas ------------- 
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 13:21
| Henry Cow's contribution is in fact a BBC Radio 1 session so not recorded in front of an audience as such. From the Concerts album then I would go with 'Ruins'. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 13:46
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^ Thanks, I had forgotten about that. I almost went with "Ruins". ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |