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    Posted: September 13 2020 at 14:03
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I don't know why this is so hard to explain, avoid embedding full albums without permission from the artist or label. it doesn't matter if it's the Prog Britannia thread, the Krautrock thread, a Yes topic..., the policy remains the same. Hyperlink to a youtube playlist if you must.
 
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I don't know why this is so hard to explain, avoid embedding full albums without permission from the artist or label. it doesn't matter if it's the Prog Britannia thread, the Krautrock thread, a Yes topic..., the policy remains the same. Hyperlink to a youtube playlist if you must.
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^ Thanks for explaining why I'm the only one able to view the Yes videos at the top of page one. I realise now that the only reason I couldn't see the videos before is because I wasn't logged in.  Thumbs Up
 
On the subject of posting full albums: Are you saying I'm no longer allowed to post full albums on my Prog Britannia blog, bearing in mind I've been posting full albums on there to accompany my album reviews since September last year Question
 
By the way, I did once have my own music site with my own set of rules, up until October 2015 when the kitty ran out of money. Smile


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2020 at 13:25
Suitkees is getting it. Embedding whole albums (in one video or many) and significant portions of the album is discouraged both for legal reasons and out of courtesy to the artists unless officially sanctioned. We have been more tolerant of it in Suggest New bands and Artists for evaluatory purposes. This is not your site or my site, but the owner's site, and we use this site according to certain rules and expectations. If not everyone agrees it doesn't matter as it is not everyone's site and not everyone has to deal with the fallout of complaints or legal action. I said that linking to youtube could be okay. You can make your own playlists on youtube and hyperlink to that if you want. I have tried to explain this several times. Feel free to post, say, your favourite track from the album (if an album has but one track that would be a problem if not done with permission), or provide a link to a playlist. I have not heard Magnification and have no desire to, and this is not about how well known the band or album is. I usually keep a youtube tab open when browsing this site, by the way.

If the OP can still see the videos that's because I only hid then, and when the OP is logged in then he/she can see those posts, as can any moderators. I have not re-instated those.

if this site is not for you, so be it. You can make your site with your own rules, or lack thereof, and is you face legal consequences or complaints, then you can deal with that at your own site.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Quote I do understand what you say, but you may not understand what I am saying: "redundancy" is not a legal problem for PA, copyright infringement is.

copyright,  that too.
I was talking about how annoying it is to me to see famous bands videos posted all over the place...

I agree with you on that, but I think the reason that the videos in this thread were hidden/deleted is because of a (lack of) permission/allowance question Logan referred to in his post (and we haven't discussed the bandwith it is taking up for PA, which is probably not entirely free...).


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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Actually, I don't think that the "redundancy" is a problem for PA. The fact of embedding a video on a PA-page can be considered as a republication and then copyright comes into play. When you're only referring (linking) to it that is not the case. It is PA that is considered being the (re-)publisher - and thus accountable for republication and eventual copyright infringement -, not the member that embedded the video.
Most artists (as copyright-holders) probably wouldn't mind the embedding of one or two of their works, but when it is an whole album it becomes a different kind of thing.

I was talking about the redundancy of Yes videos. Why doesn't anybody understand a word I say today? Confused

I do understand what you say, but you may not understand what I am saying: "redundancy" is not a legal problem for PA, copyright infringement is.

copyright,  that too.
I was talking about how annoying it is to me to see famous bands videos posted all over the place... 
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^^ Fair enough, but not everyone feels the same way as you do. Smile

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Actually, I don't think that the "redundancy" is a problem for PA. The fact of embedding a video on a PA-page can be considered as a republication and then copyright comes into play. When you're only referring (linking) to it that is not the case. It is PA that is considered being the (re-)publisher - and thus accountable for republication and eventual copyright infringement -, not the member that embedded the video.
Most artists (as copyright-holders) probably wouldn't mind the embedding of one or two of their works, but when it is an whole album it becomes a different kind of thing.

I was talking about the redundancy of Yes videos. Why doesn't anybody understand a word I say today? Confused

I do understand what you say, but you may not understand what I am saying: "redundancy" is not a legal problem for PA, copyright infringement is.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

 
Actually, there is an advantage to watching videos on PA compared to watching videos on YouTube: ads... on PA, one only gets banner ads, in contrast to intrusive video ads on YouTube.
 
 
I was going to mention the big advantage of not having annoying YouTube ads on ProgArchives too. Thumbs Up
 
Also, if I spend time searching for and posting the very best YT videos for an album, it saves any of my proggy friends (including Cristi) having to do the same. Smile

I don't use youtube to listen to Yes, i have my Yes albums for that. 
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Actually, I don't think that the "redundancy" is a problem for PA. The fact of embedding a video on a PA-page can be considered as a republication and then copyright comes into play. When you're only referring (linking) to it that is not the case. It is PA that is considered being the (re-)publisher - and thus accountable for republication and eventual copyright infringement -, not the member that embedded the video.
Most artists (as copyright-holders) probably wouldn't mind the embedding of one or two of their works, but when it is an whole album it becomes a different kind of thing.

I was talking about the redundancy of Yes videos. Why doesn't anybody understand a word I say today? Confused
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

 
Actually, there is an advantage to watching videos on PA compared to watching videos on YouTube: ads... on PA, one only gets banner ads, in contrast to intrusive video ads on YouTube.
 
 
I was going to mention the big advantage of not having annoying YouTube ads on ProgArchives too. Thumbs Up
 
Also, if I spend time searching for and posting the very best YT videos for an album, it saves any of my proggy friends (including Cristi) having to do the same. Smile
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Actually, I don't think that the "redundancy" is a problem for PA. The fact of embedding a video on a PA-page can be considered as a republication and then copyright comes into play. When you're only referring (linking) to it that is not the case. It is PA that is considered being the (re-)publisher - and thus accountable for republication and eventual copyright infringement -, not the member that embedded the video.
Most artists (as copyright-holders) probably wouldn't mind the embedding of one or two of their works, but when it is an whole album it becomes a different kind of thing.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

OMG, do you want him to post all the songs on Magnification in this thread, again? 
Why are you encouraging him to do this redundant thing? 
 
No, I get your point about posting videos of familiar music. I just thought I'd point out something I noticed about inline videos on PA.
 
 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

you can watch the videos on youtube, you do not have to post them here on PA.
 
Actually, there is an advantage to watching videos on PA compared to watching videos on YouTube: ads... on PA, one only gets banner ads, in contrast to intrusive video ads on YouTube.
 
 

OMG, do you want him to post all the songs on Magnification in this thread, again? 
Why are you encouraging him to do this redundant thing? 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

you can watch the videos on youtube, you do not have to post them here on PA.
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

why post videos? Confused Everyone knows this album. 

I happen to love watching YouTube music videos on my big screen TV, which is something you can't do with a CD album, so there's your answer. If you don't like the videos I posted then that's Your Prerogative (minus the Britney Spears video). Smile

you can watch the videos on youtube, you do not have to post them here on PA. Who are you posting them for? Yourself?! Confused
What would be the point in posting videos just for myself when the whole idea behind a music site such as this one is to *SHARE* music with friends. Tongue

let me explain again, I don't think you've understood my point. 
There is NO NEED to post videos of the most famous prog band, on a prog site (of all places). Simple as that. 

If you post a video of some obscure band, I get it, but Yes videos? It's not necessary. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

why post videos? Confused Everyone knows this album. 

I happen to love watching YouTube music videos on my big screen TV, which is something you can't do with a CD album, so there's your answer. If you don't like the videos I posted then that's Your Prerogative (minus the Britney Spears video). Smile

you can watch the videos on youtube, you do not have to post them here on PA. Who are you posting them for? Yourself?! Confused
What would be the point in posting videos just for myself when the whole idea behind a music site such as this one is to *SHARE* music with friends. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

why post videos? Confused Everyone knows this album. 

I happen to love watching YouTube music videos on my big screen TV, which is something you can't do with a CD album, so there's your answer. If you don't like the videos I posted then that's Your Prerogative (minus the Britney Spears video). Smile

you can watch the videos on youtube, you do not have to post them here on PA. Who are you posting them for? Yourself?! Confused
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It's weird that only I can see the videos for the Magnification album at the top of the page. Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

why post videos? Confused Everyone knows this album. 

I happen to love watching YouTube music videos on my big screen TV, which is something you can't do with a CD album, so there's your answer. If you don't like the videos I posted then that's Your Prerogative (minus the Britney Spears video). Smile
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