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verslibre 
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Maybe. Maybe not. When it was nearly time to bid adieu to my teens, I was already into rock/hard rock/metal, electronic/new age, film score/classical, and the major prog bands. And then it happened: JAZZ-FUSION! And I still listen to everything!  |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 15:23 |
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Typically a person's taste in music is set by the time they are about 20 or so. If you didn't discover and get into prog by then it's unlikely(but not impossible) you ever will. The same could be said about specific bands too although this isn't set in stone either. However, I can't imagine many 60 year olds all of a sudden deciding out of the blue they like ELP(or prog in general too for that matter) after all.
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 10:30 |
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I have already started to appreciate them more
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 02:29 |
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Give up. If you don’t like now, you never will. Once, twice, three times (a lady, ha ha) if they don’t grab ya’, they never will. Don’t waste your time.
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 01:55 |
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In my experience, I'd say 80% of the time if I ask a non-proggy friend/person "Do you like progressive rock?", they'll answers "What, you mean like ELP?". It is what it is. I think they penetrated the public eye a bit more back at that time vs stuff like Yes and KC, which only makes sense to me.
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 00:54 |
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Totally. And the crazy thing is to me their debut doesn't really feel like some kind of big proggy opus like CTTE or TAAB or something. It manages to be really groundbreaking and complex and well synthesized while retaining the feeling of just putting three guys in a room together and letting them jam. It sounds like it could've been tossed off in an afternoon. I love that quality about it. Tarkus would be a sharp turn away from that aesthetic, though I think it's just as wonderful.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Posted: May 19 2020 at 00:50 |
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I love PFM, but I've never really seen them as the most inventive prog band. Then again, I've never thought they sounded as much like ELP as Genesis, though the consensus with a lot of Italian prog seems to be it was initially derived from ELP. And what about Van Der Graaf Generator or Magma for inventiveness? I agree ELP did something wonderful and original, but I don't think they're one of only a few bands who really pushed the envelope of creativity.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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People get very stuck on this album it seems to me. Yes there is that grainy feel and Keith Emerson is an absolute god on the thing but it still seems very disjointed to me. I'm not keen on the version of Tank compared to the superb Works version on it either and Knife Edge is just something that never quite did it for me. The rest is pretty decent but like all ELP albums it has high points and low points IMO. Of course if they didn't then the top four albums on PA would all be ELP! They were incredibly inventive and only PFM (first 2 Italian releases) and maybe Gentle Giant (up to Interview) perhaps got anywhere close to them in that regards.
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^ the best ELP collection is The Atlantic Years , even has some nice original artwork as a bonus. The one you mention though does have a bonus CD of the 'straight from boards' recording of Hoedown, KE9 and a few other things from the 1974 Anaheim gig that was used for the triple album. Those are great and almost make up for the butchering of the studio version of KE9 on the 2 CD set!
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You could start with the Emerson, Lake & Palmer 2-CD Ultimate Collection. It's the only ELP album I have and the only ELP album I'll ever need.
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Yep, ELP created something on it that really wasn't heard before imo. They fused classical with rock in a way where they didn't sound like two separate things. It's hard for me to describe but anyone who knows that album knows what I mean.
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 Nah, I'm more of less with you. ITCOTCK, while I do like it a lot, ELP's debut really knocks my socks off every time and has this atmosphere to it that feels so pure. I probably prefer it.
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It's interesting how some prog bands seem more famous now then when they were around the first time(Camel and Gentle Giant come to mind)but with ELP it's just the opposite. They were pretty huge in the seventies and just behind Yes(and PF if you want to include them)as far as popularity goes but these days they can't seem to catch a break even among prog fans. Even prog fans will say they were pretentious, too bombastic and gave prog a bad name etc. While they aren't on the very top of my list I enjoy them a lot and think they were one of the most important prog bands of the first wave. Even though I'm probably a bigger KC fan over all I will say I think the first ELP album is better than "court." Maybe I should just leave this site now and return my prog card. :P
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ELP seem forever to be trapped in a 'no-win' situation: their detractors think they took themselves too seriously while much of the fan base don't think them serious enough (hence the flak that Benny, Jeremy, Eddy and the Sherriff attract)
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 ELP in a nutshell. Keith made the world safe for a rock band led by keyboards, not guitar. |
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No, I don't need to. You just made it abundantly clear you completely misread my post, as though I were addressing you directly. I was not. I'm also an ELP fan (I made that clear earlier). Now, go and reread my statement and ease up on the vinegar, willya?
TD isn't for everyone. Neither is ELP. |
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No. Give up !!
If you don’t like them now, you never will. Try Love Beach. That has been known to convert many strugglers. |
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The quote would have been more effective if he had left out the bit about talent. He recognised they had talent and for many (myself included) that is massively important. I am really not going to listen to countless thousands of talentless ****'s out there when I can have Keith Emerson ,Greg lake and Carl Palmer doing their thing. Of course there were ridiculously pretentious and were never able write a 'masterpiece' about the human condition or whatever is deemed important and passes for music. They were far too busy tearing up the rule book and having sh*tloads of fun. It all ended badly with any number of poor decisions that permanently damaged their reputations but if ever there was a band that never looked over its shoulder or worried about what others were doing it was ELP.
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For what it's worth i was the exact same way liking only the debut album but i recently played the first four albums in order and i liked them much more than i ever did in the past. So something clicked. While ELP will never be a top notch band in my world, i have to admit that by giving them another try changed my dislike to like :)
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I've posted on numerous occasions on PA that I'm an unashamed ELP fanboy and have reviewed 13 of their albums and 7 by the Nice in abundantly positive terms so get a clue super sleuth. In other news, TD is music for unsolicited sperm donors (but each to their own)
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