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    Posted: July 04 2019 at 17:56
Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Whoever decided to release The Beatles 1962-1965 and The Beatles 1966-1970 answered this question decades ago

Oh yes, the red and blue albums respectively. We had those when I was a kid. Two of the best compilation albums ever and you are right they pretty much settle this argument. Wink
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Maybe their meeting with Bob Dylan? Not sure. I would say rubber soul was more or less the dividing line. Not sure whether to include it with later or earlier Beatles since it has elements of both. I'll say rubber soul anyway as the turning point for the band.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  
That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"

Sorry, not sure why I typed four.  I have fixed my original post. 

Come Together = Drug Addled Gibberish
Maxwell's Silver Hammer = Even many Beatlemaniacs don't like this one
Octopus's Garden = Silly indulgence, and juvenile at that.  
I Want You (She's So Heavy) = Mind numbingly repetitious, so yes, indulgent.  And what does I Want You have to do with someone being So Heavy?  And who the hell is "she" anyway.  The song is musically interesting enough to hold for about three minutes (like most Beatle songs) but wears out its welcome long before it hits its 7+ total.  As for the lyrics, they're done even sooner.  

Other silliness follows in some of the subsequent songs.  

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Or call anything they did "gibberish". It was the end of the 60s. No baroque dreams for flutes floating around.
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...but for me, it’s Rubber Soul. Period 1: great pop/rock band. Period 2: greatest pop/rock band.
 

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

pre- Rubber Soul
post - Rubber Soul
 

at the risk of being pedantic that would make 3 periods
 
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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

pre- Rubber Soul
post - Rubber Soul
 

at the risk of being pedantic that would make 3 periods

I think it's well established that Beatles changed from mop top pop group to a serious and often experimental band from Rubber Soul onwards. That's when a lot of bands were becoming inspired and 'rebelling' against record companies to a degree who just wanted a puppet. The Who and The Kinks and even The Rolling Stones (bless) were part of the revolution. The Beatles though were the more pretentious end of this and that can be more easily traced through to their influence on the likes of Robert Fripp and progressive rock.
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pre- Rubber Soul
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Ah, i thought this was gonna be before the real Paul died and the fake Paul took over LOL
 

Ah, the one and only Billy Shears turns up LOL … finally. So Sgt. Pepper was the turning point (Paul allegedly blew his mind out in a car on 9 November 1966).


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Ah, i thought this was gonna be before the real Paul died and the fake Paul took over LOL

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  

That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"



Sorry, not sure why I typed four.  I have fixed my original post. 

Come Together = Drug Addled Gibberish
Maxwell's Silver Hammer = Even many Beatlemaniacs don't like this one
Octopus's Garden = Silly indulgence, and juvenile at that.  
I Want You (She's So Heavy) = Mind numbingly repetitious, so yes, indulgent.  And what does I Want You have to do with someone being So Heavy?  And who the hell is "she" anyway.  The song is musically interesting enough to hold for about three minutes (like most Beatle songs) but wears out its welcome long before it hits its 7+ total.  As for the lyrics, they're done even sooner.  

Other silliness follows in some of the subsequent songs.  

I'll give you Octopus' Garden but we'll have to agree to differ on the others. Read up a bit on Come Together and I Want You ("she" is Yoko and there is a reason behind the lyrics).



Octopus' Garden is a very good funny country pop song.
Maxwell is a weak song but it's not bad
Is "I want you" self indulgent? Yes, luckily!!! Like most of Dylan's masterpieces and prog's masterpieces.

I want you is one of the greatest masterpieces by the Beatles.


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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  
That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"

Sorry, not sure why I typed four.  I have fixed my original post. 

Come Together = Drug Addled Gibberish
Maxwell's Silver Hammer = Even many Beatlemaniacs don't like this one
Octopus's Garden = Silly indulgence, and juvenile at that.  
I Want You (She's So Heavy) = Mind numbingly repetitious, so yes, indulgent.  And what does I Want You have to do with someone being So Heavy?  And who the hell is "she" anyway.  The song is musically interesting enough to hold for about three minutes (like most Beatle songs) but wears out its welcome long before it hits its 7+ total.  As for the lyrics, they're done even sooner.  

Other silliness follows in some of the subsequent songs.  
I'll give you Octopus' Garden but we'll have to agree to differ on the others. Read up a bit on Come Together and I Want You ("she" is Yoko and there is a reason behind the lyrics).

Octopus' Garden is a very good funny country pop song.
Maxwell is a weak song but it's not bad
Is "I want you" self indulgent? Yes, luckily!!! Like most of Dylan's masterpieces and prog's masterpieces.

I want you is one of the greatest masterpieces by the Beatles.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Beatles before "Rubber Soul" and Beatles from "Rubber Soul" on

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I really like the White Album, but it is not very cohesive. There are some of their best songs ("Blackbird", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "Dear Prudence", "I'm So Tired", "Long Long Long" and "Revolution 9" [sic] are probably my favourites), but there are also a lot of mediocre fillers. Plus I still find it very hard to cope with "Obla di Obla da".

On the other hand, it has all kinds of everything on it, and it is almost like a collage. That's probably the most fascinating thing about it. It displays a band breaking up, consisting mainly on what is essentially solo material, so it is, if you like, a great album by accident.
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Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Whoever decided to release The Beatles 1962-1965 and The Beatles 1966-1970 answered this question decades ago
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  
That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"

Sorry, not sure why I typed four.  I have fixed my original post. 

Come Together = Drug Addled Gibberish
Maxwell's Silver Hammer = Even many Beatlemaniacs don't like this one
Octopus's Garden = Silly indulgence, and juvenile at that.  
I Want You (She's So Heavy) = Mind numbingly repetitious, so yes, indulgent.  And what does I Want You have to do with someone being So Heavy?  And who the hell is "she" anyway.  The song is musically interesting enough to hold for about three minutes (like most Beatle songs) but wears out its welcome long before it hits its 7+ total.  As for the lyrics, they're done even sooner.  

Other silliness follows in some of the subsequent songs.  
I'll give you Octopus' Garden but we'll have to agree to differ on the others. Read up a bit on Come Together and I Want You ("she" is Yoko and there is a reason behind the lyrics).


Edited by chopper - June 20 2019 at 05:36
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