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    Posted: August 29 2005 at 07:24
OK, thanks MikeEnRegalia. I hadn't even thought of that. I think I'll try some of the tribute albums, then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2005 at 07:16

Originally posted by Ray Lomas Ray Lomas wrote:

Listening to prog or any music becomes 'easier' when you're more 'experienced', that's true.

Having said that I have had some difficulties getting to bebob Miled Davis. It seems just very confusing music. The most difficult experience for me so far. And I have already listened and liked some Magma, Amon Düül II etc. So does anyone have any experience with Miles Davis? Maybe I should approach this the same as to prog and listen more 'easy' jazz music first. Any suggestions?

I know that this isn't exactly prog but relates to the topic.

Try tribute albums ... they're often not as "hard-core" as the original albums. John Coltrane is another case of rather inacessible yet absolutely divine ground-breaking music. I like Karrin Allyson's album "Ballads - remembering John Coltrane" ... it prepares you for the rather "giant steps" of the man.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2005 at 07:13
Listening to prog or any music becomes 'easier' when you're more 'experienced', that's true.

Having said that I have had some difficulties getting to bebob Miled Davis. It seems just very confusing music. The most difficult experience for me so far. And I have already listened and liked some Magma, Amon Düül II etc. So does anyone have any experience with Miles Davis? Maybe I should approach this the same as to prog and listen more 'easy' jazz music first. Any suggestions?

I know that this isn't exactly prog but relates to the topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2005 at 06:28
Originally posted by Trotsky Trotsky wrote:

Answer to you question, Dieter, is of course yes ... because most prog albums you listen to, you already approach as a prog fan ...

If you can cast your mind back to the days before full-fledged prog fandom though ... what is very unlikely is that the first time you hear a kind of prog that you haven't heard before, you will enjoy it straight away ...

Yes, a person's listening history does often play a big part in this matter, I agree. I have certainly noticed how it gets easier to get into different kind of musical landscapes once the ear has been "trained" to hear prog in the first place. But what it really seems to come down to is attitude. If you are ready to be exposed to something completely different, even as a complete "prog dummie" it is easier to embrace it from the start. I remember hearing Hemispheres for the first time and even though it was certainly weird (Led Zep was the most intricate music I had been listening to thus far), it still got my attention because I was, well, EXPECTING weird. I took an almost childlike delight in all those time signatures and odd meters and truly wanted to figure them out; not drumming-wise -apart from tentatively trying to air-drum along with Neil, lol- but to make sense of them as an integral part of the songs. Someone here compared prog music to a musical jigsaw and that's it, exactly: the desire to put all those pieces together in your mind. 

When I say that I haven't been able to fall in love with any prog records on the first listen, it doesn't mean that they didn't excite me and intrigue me from the very beginning -they did. But I definitely needed at least two or three spins before I could admit to true love.

Of course, I forgot the wonderful exception called Wish You Were Here...so far the only record in my collection that WAS true love at first hearing.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2005 at 01:56

Answer to you question, Dieter, is of course yes ... because most prog albums you listen to, you already approach as a prog fan ...

If you can cast your mind back to the days before full-fledged prog fandom though ... what is very unlikely is that the first time you hear a kind of prog that you haven't heard before, you will enjoy it straight away ... I remember having difficult moments with part of Queen - Queen (I was outraged that Jesus and Doing All Right wasted such excellent melodic beginings, with non-melodic hard rock jams), Genesis - Selling England By The Pound (mainly Battle Of Epping Forest), Henry Cow - Legend, Soft Machine - Third ... and most ironic of all, Gentle Giant - Acquiring The Taste

By the time, I patiently waded through those albums and became a fan, I had already gone through a process that enabled me to enjoy "difficult" stuff like VDGG instantly

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 23:21

yesterday I scared myself. I listened to Captain Beefheart's "Lick my Decals Off, Baby" and liked it at first listen!!

It's getting easier, I guess...I've essentially immersed myself in prog, so even RIO seems natural now...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 21:50

There is some albums that catched me on the first listening and never annoyed me.There is also albums that i love more and more the more i listen to them and never getting bored with them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 21:45
Yes, but the most rewarding music is the stuff that grows on you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:30
Not surprised at all!These are just "easy-listening prog" IMO!Wink
Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

in a word..YES.

I loved 'Spocks beard's' 'The light ' the second I heard it!

Same with 'Wish you were here' by Floyd

and MANY others..

To be prog or not to be, that's not the question!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:27
The Yes Album and  ITCOCK did it the first time as well for me, their later stuff needed a few more listens, but these are bands (almost) any prog fan should love.LOLTony Williams is a tough case, I'm trying to like his music every now and then, but mainly the strange vocals are putting me off each time. Usually I love jazz-fusion, but this guy.....anyway a great drummer!
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by hdfisch hdfisch wrote:

I'm currently trying to get into really experimental stuff like Captain Beefheart - Lick My Decals Off, Baby  or Centipede - Septober Energy,



If you must start with some hard ones that demand many listens and then you might be still trying to absorb it , especially Centipede, small wonder. Tony Williams Lifetime's Turn It Over,  still does that for me 30 years after first having the album - at least I haven't got bored by the album and hear something new every time. The Yes Album and  ITCOCK got me first go, and still have my attentions, they are complex but much more accessible than Beefhear.t


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:11
2112 and BE did it for me as well at the very first time!Tongue
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I liked Close to the Edge, 2112 and BE on the first listen

So... Really.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:08
Wow 20 times for CttE, that's tough!ShockedNot sure whether I listened any album that often (just not enough time with 5000+ collectedLOL)I think I needed 2 or 3 listens for this one,definitely less than for Relayer.  CttE is quite accessible (especially if one has seen them performing it live)!Wink
Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

I've gotten very quickly into most of the albums I love. Close to the Edge was VERY hard tho; I must have listened to it 20 times and thought it was utter sh*te, now I love it more than anything!

Mostly tho I don't bother with albums I don't like after a few listens.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:01

in a word..YES.

I loved 'Spocks beard's' 'The light ' the second I heard it!

Same with 'Wish you were here' by Floyd

and MANY others..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 17:59
fIVE times is a pretty good number I think, although - I've to say there are some albums I just can't support for that many listens (if I don't find anything attractive in the beginning). Relayer, yes (YESLOL) I think I learnt to love it with less than five times. Strangely, Images and Words I used to like in the beginning, meanwhile I don't listen to all DT albums at all anymore, I don't consider them to be very progressive or intricate honestly. I think they're just a matter of taste (mine is always changing from time to time).
Originally posted by Fritha Fritha wrote:

Can't claim to have exactly loved any prog records on the first listening. I would say that for me the most crucial period of listening takes place between the second and fifth time -if I still don't like the record by the fifth time I hear it, the chances of really growing to love it seem fairly slim. Not much empirical evidence yet to support this theory of mine but Relayer is the one example so far. What can I say, I have been lucky with my prog purchases! (*knocks on the wood just in case*)

Then there are records that I'm pretty certain I won't like any better with further listenings. (Images and Words -which a friend gave me- comes readily to mind, though I did give the record a second chance recently, out of kindness  No dice.) Yet I do try to listen to all the records I get and buy several times, with perhaps a lengthy pause in between. Occasinally the passing of time works wonders on one's ears...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:12

I totally disagree. I can decide on the first introduction what can be liked because I know what I like.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 15:41
I liked Genesis' The lamb lies down on broadway at first listen. I was 16 back then (I am 32 now).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 15:33
Originally posted by hdfisch hdfisch wrote:

I'm currently trying to get into really experimental stuff like Captain Beefheart - Lick My Decals Off, Baby  or Centipede - Septober Energy,



If you must start with some hard ones that demand many listens and then you might be still trying to absorb it , especially Centipede, small wonder. Tony Williams Lifetime's Turn It Over,  still does that for me 30 years after first having the album - at least I haven't got bored by the album and hear something new every time. The Yes Album and  ITCOCK got me first go, and still have my attentions, they are complex but much more accessible than Beefhear.t
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 15:28
Of course................................................daft question really
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2005 at 14:48

Consider each album as a musical jigsaw puzzle with two basic qualities:

  1. The picture you get when the puzzle is finished. Wether you like it is a matter of taste.
  2. The number of pieces (not the number of tracks, but the number of musical ideas put in for you to discover). You won't enjoy figuring it out for many times if it's a simple one, although you might still enjoy it as a picture on the wall (background music).

There is also the issue of missing pieces. Sometimes you need other albums by the same band to finish the puzzle. For instance: I didn't like early Yes very much when I tried it at first with TFTO, even after 7 times or so. I tried The Yes Album next and this helped a lot to grow into their musical language. I even started liking side 1 and 4 of TFTO a bit.

Right now I'm really enjoying the complex GG puzzle, but I'm still not sure if I will be moved by the end-picture.

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