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Posted: June 24 2013 at 04:17
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Good call. Speaking of the
Byrds, I always considered Eight Miles High (1966) to be one of the
first proto-prog classics. My favourite cover version was released in
1984 by Husker Du. I think it captures the essence of the song and
kicks it up a few notches
A
really good cover of a perfect song, yes. My favorite version however
is the RCA Demo by The Byrds from 1965, the one with the heavy lead guitars
and smashing Hillman bass lines.
Another proto-prog recommendation: Golden Earring's Eight Miles High album with a side-long jam on "Eight Miles High". One of the few proto-prog records which have a pretty distinct taste, and not too many Tull or Deep Purple copies.
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 18:19
Einsetumadur wrote:
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1967)
What an eclectic and spiritual record - the 'folkified' psych R&B of "Goin' Back", the surreal backing vocals and Gene Clark's crude metre in "Get To You", Moog drones in "Space Odyssey", jazz in "Natural Harmony" and "Tribal Gathering" (the latter with early acid rock riffs), the softly pulsating drone of "Draft Morning" - and a set of tremendously good bonus tracks. Every track is utterly sophisticated, no genre is omitted in this eclectic mixture which only lasts mere 29 minutes. A shame that this groundbreaking band isn't permitted entry to the Progarchives.
Good call. Speaking of the Byrds, I always considered Eight Miles High (1966) to be one of the first proto-prog classics. My favourite cover version was released in 1984 by Husker Du. I think it captures the essence of the song and kicks it up a few notches
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 17:26
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1967)
What an eclectic and spiritual record - the 'folkified' psych R&B of "Goin' Back", the surreal backing vocals and Gene Clark's crude metre in "Get To You", Moog drones in "Space Odyssey", jazz in "Natural Harmony" and "Tribal Gathering" (the latter with early acid rock riffs), the softly pulsating drone of "Draft Morning" - and a set of tremendously good bonus tracks. Every track is utterly sophisticated, no genre is omitted in this eclectic mixture which only lasts mere 29 minutes. A shame that this groundbreaking band isn't permitted entry to the Progarchives.
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 08:50
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Knobby wrote:
Bookends.
Killer lp.
Possibly the best lp to come out of Americay.
"Bridge Over Troubled Water" was #1 throughout the entire world and sold a gazillion copies, but I've always liked "Bookends" much better. I think it's incredibly under-rated as a proto-prog masterpiece. Side 1 is quite the prog suite...a concept on ageing beginning with an unaccompanied guitar piece (forshadowing Fripp on "Poseidon"), dark synthesizer drones & effects (programmed by none other than Bob Moog), my fave S&G song "America" (which we all know Yes covered on Yesterdays) and "Voices of Old People" (which set's the stage for<span style="line-height: 1.2;"> Godspeed You Black Emporer's "They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach"). Side 2 is a collection of outstanding songs, many with a pop-prog sensibility...yup...fantastic album.</span>
Hmm....never thought of Bookends as 'proto prog' and they aren't listed here but it is certainly a great lp.
Edited by dr wu23 - June 23 2013 at 08:50
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 08:39
Moogtron III wrote:
Don't expect any special insights from me here.
Even though I've heard of Lovecraft, Sardonicus etc., I choose the proto-prog album which is rated the highest by the members of PA: Abbey Road by the Beatles.
So, is Abbey Road your favorite prot-prog album, or did you choose it because it's the highest rated on PA?
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 01:48
Don't expect any special insights from me here.
Even though I've heard of Lovecraft, Sardonicus etc., I choose the proto-prog album which is rated the highest by the members of PA: Abbey Road by the Beatles.
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 16:07
Knobby wrote:
Bookends.
Killer lp.
Possibly the best lp to come out of Americay.
"Bridge Over Troubled Water" was #1 throughout the entire world and sold a gazillion copies, but I've always liked "Bookends" much better. I think it's incredibly under-rated as a proto-prog masterpiece. Side 1 is quite the prog suite...a concept on ageing beginning with an unaccompanied guitar piece (forshadowing Fripp on "Poseidon"), dark synthesizer drones & effects (programmed by none other than Bob Moog), my fave S&G song "America" (which we all know Yes covered on Yesterdays) and "Voices of Old People" (which set's the stage for Godspeed You Black Emporer's "They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach"). Side 2 is a collection of outstanding songs, many with a pop-prog sensibility...yup...fantastic album.
Edited by The.Crimson.King - June 22 2013 at 16:50
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 07:23
stegor wrote:
I haven't listened to it in years, but I couldn't get enough of The Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp when I first heard it. Not saying it was important or incredible or influential, just that it's my favorite album listed under Proto-Prog on this website.
Second would be SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things.
Proto-Prog seems like a good term to define the music to me. I don't care if it's a Genre or not, and I don't know what would give anyone the authority to declare with absolute definition that it isn't. It just amazes me how adamant some folks are that everyone categorizes music the same way they do.
Least favorite? I've never liked anything by The Doors
I only obtained a copy of Giles Giles and Fripp about a year ago....even though I 'm a KC fan I never had the urge to get a copy of it.
SFSorrow is an excellent early lp and as far as the Doors, being an American and 61, I of course had all the singles and early lp's but I always felt they could have been better and were a bit cheesy at times.
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 19:19
I haven't listened to it in years, but I couldn't get enough of The Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp when I first heard it. Not saying it was important or incredible or influential, just that it's my favorite album listed under Proto-Prog on this website.
Second would be SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things.
Proto-Prog seems like a good term to define the music to me. I don't care if it's a Genre or not, and I don't know what would give anyone the authority to declare with absolute definition that it isn't. It just amazes me how adamant some folks are that everyone categorizes music the same way they do.
Least favorite? I've never liked anything by The Doors
If you look a bit into my list you may discover much of this music came from either UK Midlands or even more north UK up to Scotland - not from London art schools, but from rough blue-collar towns.
Also as many would have it, it was NOT classically-inspired.
And I'm not hearing that much that it is a direct jumpboard from psych.
To my ears, if anything at all the proto SOUND had evolved out of something like instrumental UK take on bluesrock-jazz.
Graham Bond was not merely historically-important for mellotron, but much of proto can be traced back down to him and things like Alexis Korner Band. I think Dick Heath may just support me on this - only he doesnt seem to be posting here anymore.
Yes, I agree that the likes of Graham Bond, Brian Auger, Don Shinn and Alexis Korner's roles in the gestation of the Prog beastie is rather under-appreciated and the strong jazz influence at that time subsequently retreated circa the ascendancy of Yes, ELP, Crimson, Genesis et al. However, I'm a bit skeptical about the North/South UK divide re parental disputes about the cradle of Prog and would support the idea that 60's Art Schools (irrespective of location) were pivotal in much subsequent progressive music. From memory, Pete Townshend, Ray Davies, Keith Richards, Thunderclap Newman, Pretty Things et al emerged from such establishments.
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The.Crimson.King wrote:
My favorite version however
is the RCA Demo by The Byrds from 1965, the one with the heavy lead guitars
and smashing Hillman bass lines.
