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lazland 
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 Posted: September 25 2009 at 09:32 |
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Yes totally rocks, okay? My fav album has to be Tales or Relayer, but they are all good. |
You obviously have never heard Big Generator, Onions, or Open Your Eyes  Welcome to the forum BTW 
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Rushlover13
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 19:03 |
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Yes totally rocks, okay? My fav album has to be Tales or Relayer, but they are all good.
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I Love Rush.
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American Khatru
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Posted: September 23 2009 at 08:45 |
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Just to give an example how Wakeman could make The Yes Album better: Starship Trooper on Keys to Ascension. That song without the Wakeman solo (or rather, guitar-keyboard duel) just isn't the same. |
I'm embarrassed to say I don't have that record. Going to have to get it (just that I've been so busy with my mainly Rock Progressivo Italiano purchases  , and the accompanying sense of guilt over spending money that I don't really have  ).
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Posted: September 23 2009 at 08:42 |
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American Khatru wrote:
I think The Yes Album through Relayer are some of the best prog ever made by humankind. Analyzing that statement, it's as if I'm saying, from a certain point of view, I needed Howe to be there in place of Banks, but didn't necessarily need Wakeman at all times. And I really love Wakeman's playing, so don't get me wrong there. I'm just saying I was never of the opinion that Relayer is lacking because of Moraz, or even that The Yes Album could have been better with Wakeman (though that is of course possible). I love both these albums as they are. And let me add that I like Peter Banks' playing an awful lot (you may have seen my review of his "Two Sides"). His chops cannot be questioned.
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I broadly agree with what you are putting across but the thing is Moraz is a very proficient player anyway and, I think, much more suitable for their style on Relayer than Wakeman or Kaye. No wonder he didn't 'pull down' Relayer! GFTO on the other hand definitely needed Wakeman.
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Hope you didn't think I was riding down Moraz. I never thought Moraz left Relayer lacking, is what I mean. And I'll go a step further and be unequivocal about it: it's not some accident, or as some sort of decent fill-in job, that Moraz is so fitting to Relayer. As you pointed out, he's so suitable it's uncanny. The open of Sound Chaser, and the solo near the end, plus the 11-beat theme in Gates come immediately to mind; these are certainly Moraz in the part writing sense as well as execution (though you can pretty much forget the who-can-play-what game with these two, as they are both highly proficient).
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Posted: September 22 2009 at 22:12 |
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Just to give an example how Wakeman could make The Yes Album better: Starship Trooper on Keys to Ascension. That song without the Wakeman solo (or rather, guitar-keyboard duel) just isn't the same.
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Posted: September 22 2009 at 20:34 |
American Khatru wrote:
I think The Yes Album through Relayer are some of the best prog ever made by humankind. Analyzing that statement, it's as if I'm saying, from a certain point of view, I needed Howe to be there in place of Banks, but didn't necessarily need Wakeman at all times. And I really love Wakeman's playing, so don't get me wrong there. I'm just saying I was never of the opinion that Relayer is lacking because of Moraz, or even that The Yes Album could have been better with Wakeman (though that is of course possible). I love both these albums as they are. And let me add that I like Peter Banks' playing an awful lot (you may have seen my review of his "Two Sides"). His chops cannot be questioned.
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I broadly agree with what you are putting across but the thing is Moraz is a very proficient player anyway and, I think, much more suitable for their style on Relayer than Wakeman or Kaye. No wonder he didn't 'pull down' Relayer! GFTO on the other hand definitely needed Wakeman.
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Posted: September 22 2009 at 13:43 |
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I think The Yes Album through Relayer are some of the best prog ever made by humankind. Analyzing that statement, it's as if I'm saying, from a certain point of view, I needed Howe to be there in place of Banks, but didn't necessarily need Wakeman at all times. And I really love Wakeman's playing, so don't get me wrong there. I'm just saying I was never of the opinion that Relayer is lacking because of Moraz, or even that The Yes Album could have been better with Wakeman (though that is of course possible). I love both these albums as they are. And let me add that I like Peter Banks' playing an awful lot (you may have seen my review of his "Two Sides"). His chops cannot be questioned.
Fragile, which you brought up, will always be special, should always be special, to the Yes fan simply because that's where it all first locked in members-wise; they were clearly all inspired by the arrangement, even if it might have taken a couple of strong-arm moves to bring it about. It has everything, from a first, successful song in "Roundabout", coursing through the light and the dark aspects of Beautiful, introducing and familiarizing us with these five people, and ending on the incredible, Yes-ground breaking "Heart of the Sunrise". Few albums are better, and some of those few are Yes albums...
To have followed that up with Close to the Edge is just crazy. To then lose the great Bill Bruford and yet put out Tales from Topographic Oceans, imo the greatest album, is even crazier!
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Posted: September 21 2009 at 21:58 |
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So, what about Fragile... well, I guess that's already been discussed a bit, but, anything else to add? Once again, a member was kicked out of the band (Tony Kaye this time) so they could get in a better keyboard player. Still a little bit of a nasty attitude, but I'm not sure I really disaprove... for this way they created one of the very best rock and prog lineups ever to create music. So, what do you think about it?
By the way, Fragile is one of my favourite albums, all the Group tracks are really incredible, and even some of the solo tracks are really good, or at least rather short so that they don't really demerit the album (at least that's my point of view).
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Posted: September 21 2009 at 11:20 |
Thanks guys, shall do likewise. But right now, getting into an Avant mood again, so later day Yes will have to wait! 
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Posted: September 21 2009 at 00:11 |
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I recommend getting both Ascensions as well, the studio tracks are pretty fine (still not even close to the quality of Magnification in my opinion) but the live section is my favourite Yes live album of them all. If you're an Ipod (or some other portable mp3 player) user, you can rearrange the tracks to form a complete gig and Keystudio.
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Posted: September 20 2009 at 22:34 |
Before you choose to buy Keystudio or Keys to ascension you should know what they are. The classical lineup of yes (Anderson, Squire, Howe, Wakeman, White) did a reunion in the mid 90's with one (or some, I don't know) concert, and released it on CD. That is Keys to Ascension. But Keys to Ascension is divided in two double CD albums, each one's got part of the concert and new studio material. Keystudio is an album that includes only the new studio material from both Keys to ascension albums, which are the ones I have, and I think it's better to have this over Keystudio, since the live versions of the songs played are awsome. Yet, I would say, if anyone's interested, that you should get both parts of Keys to Ascension. The only plus on Keystudio, as far as I know, is that one or two of the songs have gotten some extended intros which I've not heard and don't know how interesting they are, yet I have no intention of buying it.
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Posted: September 20 2009 at 08:26 |
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I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes. |
Then you haven't heard Union and Open Your Eyes
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Posted: September 19 2009 at 00:44 |
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rogerthat wrote:
I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes. Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to. |
Do yourself a favor and pick up either Keystudio or Keys to Ascension II (whichever one appeals to you more will do.) |
Thanks for the recommendation, will do. 
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Posted: September 19 2009 at 00:43 |
rogerthat wrote:
I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes. Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to. |
Do yourself a favor and pick up either Keystudio or Keys to Ascension II (whichever one appeals to you more will do.)
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 23:28 |
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I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes. Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to.
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 22:26 |
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Well, I would really have to listen to this albums before deciding which one I like the least, but I think it must be something between Tormato, Big Generator, Open your eyes, and The Ladder. Though they all have one or two songs at least that I like. Big Generator has Holy Lamb, which I really like a lot, as well as Shoot High Aim Low (which is at least good) so I might leave that one out of the contest. I might leave out Tormato too because of Don't kill the Whale and Onward. So I guess the ones I like the least are Open your eyes and The Ladder. I don't really know which one I like the least from those two.
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:42 |
^^
Even as the massive Jon Anderson fan I am, I still love DRAMA... Although, I don't think I'll buy an album with Benoit. Can't stand him...
Khoroshev would probably be my choice too, after Wakeman... Solid player, good range of styles and genres aswell!
^Apologies Lazland, I haven't heard any of his work without Yes...
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lazland
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:39 |
Okay, to start off Ghost's topics: The worst Yes albums IMO are a toss up between Drama, Big Generator, Onions, and Open Your Eyes. I know that I am in a huge minority when it comes to Drama, but long time members who put up with my sporadic rantings know that I cannot accept anyone except the great prophet as Yes singer so there  Onions has some ecsquisite moments, but was basically a mess and vastly over produced, but it's not the worst. Big Generator was a massive disappointment after 90125, which was great, and even more of an anomaly when you consider how good Talk was. However, I think the winner has to be OYE, an extremely poor album with only one really decent track (the acoustic one with JA & SH - the name escapes me). I suspect that these sentiments will be repeated quite a few times. As for the best other keyboardist, I will agree with Khoroshev. I liked his contributions and, as I've said before, I thought he did a great job live, and I was a little sorry to see him go. Wikipedia states that he is doing film soundtrack work now - has anyone heard his post Yes work?
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:32 |
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Ghost, don't feel abandoned, I just have no time lately for the forums. All yours are excellent starters. I hope others will kick into this.
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:54 |
And another topic starter. Best keyboardist other than Wakey?
I personally think that Khoroshev showed some major chops during his brief tenure with the band. He's the guy I'd want if Wakey wasn't available (at least from a musical standpoint.)
For worst, Downes gets my vote.
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