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Posted: January 15 2011 at 15:04
1) Seriously. Distorted voices is a minor coincidence. They WERE writing a song about IRON MAN. As in, a robot. As in, probably with some kind of distorted, robot-like voice.
And because they liked what KC had done, with the basic concept of this alientated/different man thing
2) They don't have similar riffs at all. The rhythm of the main riff is vaguely similar, the chromatic riffs are chromatic so of course they sound similar. AND
3) That's kind of a popular cadence.
Look, you're the one that said "no, not remotely" that they sound nothing lilke each other.
4) Two songs with a guitar solo obviously means one was stolen.
thats not what I said. I said "And then both break into a very similar extended guitar break with very similar notes after the basic song is established." Its more than just two separate guitar solos.
Thanks for your very kind and thoughtful remarks about "then you have absolutely no concept of how music works." I have 4000 LPs/CDs, and have been playing pretty good guitar for 30 years, but maybe you're right.
Not even just little remotely?LOL!Lets start with them playing off of this alien schizoid/iron “man” motif.On Schizoid Man the voice is mechanical and distorted (like an iron man).They were two of the heaviest songs up to that point, they have similar riffs, rhythms and cadence.And then both break into a very similar extended guitar break with very similar notes after the basic song is established. Of course the KC song came first.
1) Seriously. Distorted voices is a minor coincidence. They WERE writing a song about IRON MAN. As in, a robot. As in, probably with some kind of distorted, robot-like voice.
2) They don't have similar riffs at all. The rhythm of the main riff is vaguely similar, the chromatic riffs are chromatic so of course they sound similar.
3) That's kind of a popular cadence.
4) Two songs with a guitar solo obviously means one was stolen.
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 14:35
Not even just little remotely?LOL!Lets start with them playing off of this alien schizoid/iron “man” motif.On Schizoid Man the voice is mechanical and distorted (like an iron man).They were two of the heaviest songs up to that point, they have similar riffs, rhythms and cadence.And then both break into a very similar extended guitar break with very similar notes after the basic song is established. Of course the KC song came first.
The only two I know - and they're both prog related, are Deep Purple stealing "Child in Time" and Led Zeppelin stealing pretty much everything.
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Also, wtf at OP suggesting Black Sabbath stole riffs from 20th Century Schizoid Man. I'm assuming you mean the chromatic ones, in which case, THEY'RE FREAKING CHROMATIC. Every rising or descending chromatic riff sounds pretty much the same (regardless of what key it starts on). They've been used before Schizoid Man, loads.
Or if you mean the main riff, then I guess it is vaguely reminiscent, but seriously, if you think that vague reminiscence means they stole it, you have absolutely no concept of how music works.
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 13:28
I know.I’m a trouble maker, but lets view this as a test of tolerance within open communication!
Starcastle:Someone mentioned Starcastle in another thread, and it reminded me of just how much I couldn’t stop thinking “Yes, Yes, Yes”when I played my Starcastle CD for the first and last time.They clearly were very capable musicians, but took their study of Yes a little too far. I can't think of a more derivative band.
Eloy:Now I really like Eloy - have several of their albums -- so don’t yell at me.And I also really like their version of Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here album on their own Silent Cries and Might Echoes.
Black Sabbath:A great heavy metal band, but does anyone else thing that Iron Man may have taken a lick or two from 21st Century Schizoid Man?
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