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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: July 02 2010 at 04:31 | |||||||
Slava's country certainly has a lot to offer. Estonia is the smallest from Baltic states and it has much more bands. Not sure why, Slava probably knows why. Anyway Keishiro, what about to use similar map for Asian countries ? You can ask for help of people, who knows more about certain countries and would be willing to talk/suggest bands. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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DamoXt7942
Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 01 2010 at 18:14 | |||||||
Hi, Marty. Here comes a more Eastern resident.
A great blog and a very visually useful map thanks! And I'm very pleased with "opening Iron Curtain" and "removing the Oriental wall" by all Eastern members here. Already Slava has made some brilliant recommendations to me personally ... Suuk (now under eval in Psych), Saules Laikrodis, Argo (already added in Crossover), Auktyon, Fiodorov-Volkov-Ribot-Medeski, Modo ... Now I'm listenning to Imants Kalnins ... oooo, what a delightful and graceful symphonia with beautiful angel voices! (Thanks Slava!) |
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: July 01 2010 at 12:56 | |||||||
I would like to show you one of old Czech/Slovak suggestions by Magor (who suggested most of Czech/Slovak bands before): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342&PID=3702920#3702920 Not everything has to appeal to Jazz Prog genre, some of them may be Eclectic, or Crossover. It happens all the time. Sadly, requirements for Jazz Rock / Fusion genre are, as you said Slava, strict. I had few days off (in offline world, you know, Land Without Computer), so let me just give time and I will listen it through. Mimochodem Milane, Vltavu, Jazz Celula, Prudy vidím jako dobrou šanci. Jak jsem říkal, Eclectic (pro "divnějšího") a Crossover (pro víc "mainstreamovou") hudbu je naše příležitost. Co ty na to ? Edited by Marty McFly - July 01 2010 at 14:11 |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 30 2010 at 15:50 | |||||||
^Sure, I think it's great that you suggested the bands many of us didn't know till now. I wrote just my personal opinion, and I believe there could be more different opinions as well. I think this thread will live successfully only if there will be more different suggestions from fans with knowledge of their coountry's music. Not all of suggestions will finish on PA, but at least we all will have possibility to know national scenes better
Edited by snobb - July 01 2010 at 15:02 |
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Gandalff
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 07 2007 Location: Middle-Earth Status: Offline Points: 4214 |
Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:43 | |||||||
I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"... [/QUOTE] Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ... And "new" no way always means "progressive" [/QUOTE] Nevermind. I´ll wait to another reviewers´opinion. Maybe somebody judges us. Maybe Oswald Schneider belongs better to Crossover Prog...
What´s true, this band plays more than 20 years strictly non-commercial music using fusion between Rock and Jazz with a little odour of Electronica. "Electro-Pop" isn´t it in any case, I promise!
As regards Red Baron Band, I suggest them because there is similar Czech band (from the same city, Prague), named Votchi. With a difference that RBB begins to play earlier, therefore they are old warhorses.
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 30 2010 at 02:58 | |||||||
Red Baron Band sounds as really great early Deep Purple's tribute band, enjoyed the music! Vintage hard rock with keyboards passages. Not progressive, but very enthusiastic music, and no way boring. Nice band! |
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:05 | |||||||
I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"... [/QUOTE]
Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ... And "new" no way always means "progressive" Edited by snobb - June 30 2010 at 03:02 |
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Gandalff
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 07 2007 Location: Middle-Earth Status: Offline Points: 4214 |
Posted: June 29 2010 at 14:02 | |||||||
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Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE] I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 29 2010 at 08:19 | |||||||
Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music. Edited by snobb - June 29 2010 at 08:19 |
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AbrahamSapien
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 27 2009 Location: Slovenia Status: Offline Points: 181 |
Posted: June 29 2010 at 06:28 | |||||||
Hi Marty, got your essage yesterday, but was too tired to answer. Sorry ...
I'd really like to help in this project now that holidays have begun, I think I could do something about my homecountry scene. |
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:41 | |||||||
Thanks Marty for this thread, perhaps it will bring together some of the other threads and ideas from Eastern European Prog.
I have really loved discovering this scene. I just got Ota Petrina's albums, on the strength of the reviews that have been posted. Wonderful music! Has anyone heard/know anything about Hungarian band Kormoran?
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Gandalff
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 07 2007 Location: Middle-Earth Status: Offline Points: 4214 |
Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:07 | |||||||
I´ve suggested some Czech bands or artists to add to Progarchives, mostly through Marty Mc Fly. Some of them is just here, some of them have got the slip...
I should to call attention of these bands:
Red Baron Band - sounds similarly like another Czech band "Votchi", it means Hammond-leaded Vintage Hard Rock with brilliant vocals, sung in English.
www.redbaronband.com/
Oswald Schneider - Jazz Rock/Fusion band with some modern electronical elements, sung in Czech.
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Gandalff
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:14 | |||||||
I have got 3 CDs of early Jazz Celula and 2 CDs of New York Celula. There is no problem to purchase or download anything from Laco Déczi, almost all of his records are available on CD or mp3.
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lucas
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
Posted: June 27 2010 at 06:10 | |||||||
lucas can help for Poland as well... |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: June 27 2010 at 05:25 | |||||||
For reference purpose:
Yugoslavian/East European progressive Russian Prog Appreciation Thread Edited by harmonium.ro - June 27 2010 at 05:26 |
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 27 2010 at 03:33 | |||||||
Speaking about Eastern European bands, I believe some of them are well-known now (as SBB, Blue Effect,Collegium Musicum or Riverside) and many are included on PA. But at the same time, there are many of old and new onces, still a best kept secret.
We have there some artists from Baltics on PA, but you always can find something interesting besides of them. For example, there are young generation psychedelic fusion underground band from Lithuania - "Magic Mushrooms". Aren't they interesting? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1creFzb7JgY&feature=related |
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:18 | |||||||
I would also like to show my planned strategy. As Alex harmonium.ro told me, there were similar attempts. So what we need is common goal and good planning, good strategy how to achieve it. Therefore I propose you this. It's not final, it's not decisive and all people on this list haven't agreed yet. It's subject to changes. But for now: People assigned to each country/countries as mentors, as keepers, guardians, whatever you call it. People who will care and have bigger or lesser knowledge in country's scene. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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snobb
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3578 |
Posted: June 26 2010 at 12:19 | |||||||
Hey,Marty,
It's nice to see you opened the place where all info and suggestions on Estern European progressive music could be discussed! Briefly, I can remember Jazz Celula, Czech band from early 70-s, which in some periods played jazz fusion. Later the founder immigrated to States and founded US-version of this band, but more jazz, not jazz fusion one, which is active till now. The big problem is the public samples of early (Czech) Jazz Celula, may be you can find them. I am not sure, from what I heard they are somewhere between jazz and early jazz fusion in some compositions. Their new (US band) works are pure jazz though. |
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: June 26 2010 at 11:51 | |||||||
Lenghty repost of some thread in Collaborators Zone: Full thread in Collaborators Zone here
Greg, you will make fine guy to work with, because of this eclecticity. By the way, we recently added Ota Petřina to Symphonic. Maybe you will be interested.
And so we have few bands for ZART too, even some of them will probably be Eclectic and some Crossover.
I have listened Boo. I think they can make a case, but more listens needed.
It was very nice suggestion, Narajama does well in Eclectic.
Dunaj is equally fine in RIO/Avant now.
Her big body of work was probably difficult to correctly classify, wasn't it ? Now, she's also in RIO/Avant.
Let's look into Oblomov and Vuvr again, the rest of them got added :-)
And we now have Votchi too :-) great, unique band.
Let's hope that new thread will be more active. Both are here already and now to your other suggestions from other thread (they'll be here soon). |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: June 25 2010 at 14:23 | |||||||
You know, it has growls, it's Death Metal for me. But let the team decide, I'm still trying to learn to improve my judgment.
Maybe I gave you bad album, but maybe they would be more suitable to Eclectic. Thanks for update, I overlook it . Psí vojáci, another difficult nut to crack. Their discography is about 20 studio albums (& related projects) long and so it's hard to decide. I have to say that I listened 2 albums. Yeah, just two, so I suggested Baroque.
And be sure that I will keep you on my mind :-) Even I heard that some Czechs went to Australia. By any chance, do you know somebody with this heritage ? |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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