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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2010 at 04:31

Slava's country certainly has a lot to offer. Estonia is the smallest from Baltic states and it has much more bands. Not sure why, Slava probably knows why.

Anyway Keishiro, what about to use similar map for Asian countries ? You can ask for help of people, who knows more about certain countries and would be willing to talk/suggest bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2010 at 18:14
Hi, Marty. Here comes a more Eastern resident.

A great blog and a very visually useful map thanks!





And I'm very pleased with "opening Iron Curtain" and "removing the Oriental wall" by all Eastern members here.

Already Slava has made some brilliant recommendations to me personally ... Suuk (now under eval in Psych), Saules Laikrodis, Argo (already added in Crossover), Auktyon, Fiodorov-Volkov-Ribot-Medeski, Modo ...

Now I'm listenning to Imants Kalnins ... oooo, what a delightful and graceful symphonia with beautiful angel voices! (Thanks Slava!) Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2010 at 12:56

I would like to show you one of old Czech/Slovak suggestions by Magor (who suggested most of Czech/Slovak bands before):

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342&PID=3702920#3702920



Not everything has to appeal to Jazz Prog genre, some of them may be Eclectic, or Crossover. It happens all the time. Sadly, requirements for Jazz Rock / Fusion genre are, as you said Slava, strict.

I had few days off (in offline world, you know, Land Without Computer), so let me just give time and I will listen it through.

Mimochodem Milane, Vltavu, Jazz Celula, Prudy vidím jako dobrou šanci. Jak jsem říkal, Eclectic (pro "divnějšího") a Crossover (pro víc "mainstreamovou") hudbu je naše příležitost. Co ty na to ?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 15:50
^Sure, I think it's great that you suggested the bands many of us didn't know till now. I wrote just my personal opinion, and I believe there could be more different opinions as well. I think this thread will live successfully only if there will be more different suggestions from fans with knowledge of their coountry's music. Not all of suggestions will finish on PA, but at least we all will have possibility to know national scenes better

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:43
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.

 

I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ...

And "new" no way always means "progressive"
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Nevermind. I´ll wait to another reviewers´opinion. Maybe somebody judges us. Maybe Oswald Schneider belongs better to Crossover Prog...
 
What´s true, this band plays more than 20 years strictly non-commercial music using  fusion between Rock and  Jazz with a little odour of Electronica. "Electro-Pop" isn´t it in any case, I promise! 
 
As regards Red Baron Band, I suggest them because there is similar Czech band (from the same city, Prague), named Votchi. With a difference that RBB begins to play earlier, therefore they are old warhorses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 02:58
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

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Red Baron Band - sounds similarly like another Czech band "Votchi", it means Hammond-leaded Vintage Hard Rock with brilliant vocals, sung in English.

<SPAN =><FONT style=": #f88; COLOR: #000" id=SLOVNIK_HIGHLIGHT>www.redbaronband.com/</SPAN>



 



Red Baron Band sounds as really great early Deep Purple's tribute band, enjoyed the music! Vintage hard rock with keyboards passages. Not progressive, but very enthusiastic music, and no way boring. Nice band!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:05
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE]

 

I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ...

And "new" no way always means "progressive"


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Listened to Oswald Schneider:

Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE]
 
I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 08:19
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:


Oswald Schneider - Jazz Rock/Fusion band with some modern electronical elements, sung in Czech.



 

 


Listened to Oswald Schneider:

Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 06:28
Hi Marty, got your essage yesterday, but was too tired to answer. Sorry ...
I'd really like to help in this project now that holidays have begun, I think I could do something about my homecountry scene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:41
Thanks Marty for this thread, perhaps it will bring together some of the other threads and ideas from Eastern European Prog.

I have really loved discovering this scene.  I just got Ota Petrina's albums, on the strength of the reviews that have been posted.  Wonderful music!  

Has anyone heard/know anything about Hungarian band Kormoran?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:07
I´ve suggested some Czech bands or artists to add to Progarchives, mostly through Marty Mc Fly. Some of them is just here, some of them have got the slip...
 
I should to call attention of these bands:
 
Red Baron Band - sounds similarly like another Czech band "Votchi", it means Hammond-leaded Vintage Hard Rock with brilliant vocals, sung in English.
 
Oswald Schneider - Jazz Rock/Fusion band with some modern electronical elements, sung in Czech.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:14
I have got 3 CDs of early Jazz Celula and 2 CDs of New York Celula. There is no problem to purchase or download anything from Laco Déczi, almost all of his records are available on CD or mp3.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 06:10
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

I would also like to show my planned strategy. As Alex harmonium.ro told me, there were similar attempts. So what we need is common goal and good planning, good strategy how to achieve it. Therefore I propose you this. 

It's not final, it's not decisive and all people on this list haven't agreed yet. It's subject to changes. But for now:

People assigned to each country/countries as mentors, as keepers, guardians, whatever you call it.

People who will care and have bigger or lesser knowledge in country's scene.



lucas can help for Poland as well...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 05:25
For reference purpose:

Yugoslavian/East European progressive

Russian Prog Appreciation Thread


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 03:33
Speaking about Eastern European bands, I believe some of them are well-known now (as SBB, Blue Effect,Collegium Musicum or Riverside) and many are included on PA. But at the same time, there are many of old and new onces, still a best kept secret.

We have there some artists from Baltics on PA, but you always can find something interesting besides of them.

For example, there are young generation psychedelic fusion underground band from Lithuania - "Magic Mushrooms". Aren't they interesting? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1creFzb7JgY&feature=related
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:18

I would also like to show my planned strategy. As Alex harmonium.ro told me, there were similar attempts. So what we need is common goal and good planning, good strategy how to achieve it. Therefore I propose you this. 

It's not final, it's not decisive and all people on this list haven't agreed yet. It's subject to changes. But for now:

People assigned to each country/countries as mentors, as keepers, guardians, whatever you call it.

People who will care and have bigger or lesser knowledge in country's scene.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 12:19
Hey,Marty,

It's nice to see you opened the place where all info and suggestions on Estern European progressive music could be discussed!

Briefly, I can remember Jazz Celula, Czech band from early 70-s, which in some periods played jazz fusion. Later the founder immigrated to States and founded US-version of this band, but more jazz, not jazz fusion one, which is active till now. The big problem is the public samples of early (Czech) Jazz Celula, may be you can find them. I am not sure, from what I heard they are somewhere between jazz and early jazz fusion in some compositions.

Their new (US band) works are pure jazz though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 11:51

Lenghty repost of some thread in Collaborators Zone:

Full thread in Collaborators Zone here

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

And having been an "eclectic" guy. I'd be willing to listen to various ones you think may be right for either Eclectic, RIO/Avant, Jazz-Rock Fusion. Canterbury Scene, Prog Folk (especially acid folk),. Krautrock-sounding stuff (Czechrock),  Electronic, Psyche, or Raga Rock (or crosses symph, though there are many bands I love in symph, but I fear having to listen to something like Spock's Beard). 

Pigeonholing artists is often difficult, and commonly I like the more "out of the typical prog box" especially if it incorporates academic or "ethnic" music, jazz, and psyche/ cosmic elements (choral work is a plus) and if experimental it's a plus.  What I don't like is AOR/ melodic rock and arena rock type music (or most alt. rock and metal and NeoProg), so steer those ones clear of me. LOL

Greg, you will make fine guy to work with, because of this eclecticity.

By the way, we recently added Ota Petřina to Symphonic. Maybe you will be interested.

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I'll be willing to help out with listening to and evaluating bands you think would fit for the ZART when I have time, which seems to come and go.  It is always a good plan to try to get a wider picture of the prog scene in the world, and I'm sure you'll get cooperation from most (if not all) of the collaborators.  

And so we have few bands for ZART too, even some of them will probably be Eclectic and some Crossover.

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Crossover would be the closest Prog fit for Boo I would think.  I'm not necessarily saying it should be included though, just that I considered suggesting it at one time.

I have listened Boo. I think they can make a case, but more listens needed.

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Hey Marty,
 
How about NARAJAMA???
 
These guys have been around a while
 
Their Zappa-like music is definitely worth the detour and merit a sppace in PA, dontcha think??
 
 
 
 
 
No myspace, though!!!

It was very nice suggestion, Narajama does well in Eclectic.

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I know that if you suggest Dunaj I'll be giving them a Yes vote for Avant-Garde.  

Dunaj is equally fine in RIO/Avant now.

Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Ivà Bittova has already been suggested for Avant and is currently being evaluated.

Her big body of work was probably difficult to correctly classify, wasn't it ? Now, she's also in RIO/Avant.

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Some bands that are more or less hidden in ProgFreak nest.

http://progfreak.com/Oblomov,_dbe,artists,_auto_9639757.xhtml?path=pa/recent

http://progfreak.com/Miroslav-Vitous,_dbe,artists,_auto_2177747.xhtml

http://progfreak.com/Vuvr,_dbe,artists,_auto_7020475.xhtml

http://progfreak.com/Apatheia,_dbe,artists,_auto_832791.xhtml

http://progfreak.com/Pavel-Fajt,_dbe,artists,_auto_1141082.xhtml

Let's look into Oblomov and Vuvr again, the rest of them got added :-)

Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

I can help with some bands name from Czech republic or Slovakia, to be added in near future if is ok to PA of course (sad if not). I know someone from my country mentioned you few days ago about Votchi, similar with Uriah Heep, Deep Purple and some Jethro Tull parts (Benefit era) with a good doze of prog music. here is the myspace http://www.myspace.com/bandvotchi. This band can easy enter at heavy prog, quite unexpected great band, and very young aswell.

And we now have Votchi too :-) great, unique band.

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Narajama is in. (Eclectic)
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One down, six to go.

Marty, I wasn't participating in this thread...but I'm watching it with close attention because I'm interested in Czech prog.

The only thing I can't understand is...why is Iva Bittova suggested to prog friggin' related?!? She's innovative, unique, intelligent, progressive and complex.

Let's hope that new thread will be more active. Both are here already and now to your other suggestions from other thread (they'll be here soon).

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Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

From the above samples it sounds as kind of progressive metal, but I'm a stranger in this field

You know, it has growls, it's Death Metal for me. But let the team decide, I'm still trying to learn to improve my judgment.

Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Jablkon has two votes in the ZART Chart (one "Move", on "Prog Related").
It should be suggested to another team.
 
Will listen to Psi Vojaci soon.

Maybe I gave you bad album, but maybe they would be more suitable to Eclectic. Thanks for update, I overlook it .

Psí vojáci, another difficult nut to crack. Their discography is about 20 studio albums (& related projects) long and so it's hard to decide. I have to say that I listened 2 albums. Yeah, just two, so I suggested Baroque.

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Nice thread Marty
 
Let me know if you want me  to review any of these bands on here but I will need the music of course as I have none from Czechoslovakia.
 
But will glady help out if I can/.Smile

And be sure that I will keep you on my mind :-)

Even I heard that some Czechs went to Australia. By any chance, do you know somebody with this heritage ?

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