Eastern/South European Prog Blog
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Subject: Eastern/South European Prog Blog
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 14:44
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This thread's purpose is simple. To discuss Iva Bittová ADDED to RIO/Avant ../artist.asp?id=5460 - IVA
BITTOVÁ UPDATED: 7.9.2010
I also wish to see some suggestions of Czech bands. If you know them, go post it here please. Anything sounding Prog will do. Even slight glimpses of Prog, but don't suggest typical Rock, Metal bands, because I personally know hundreds of them, so I'm not interested in common bands, but rather in Czech Prog. Even being from Czech Republic, I don't know everything. The bigger the country is, the easier it is to add something REWARDS for those willing to help me: 1)You will experience I dare to say unknown music from "not one of the major Prog countries". We're just 10.000.000 people, but we have enough interesting music to satisfy your needs. So that's it, new experiences. I may post in this thread, because these bands have one thing in common. Nobody knows them here and they are all Czech. Or make separate threads, but I would prefer first choice. So what do you think about this idea ? I've tried to do this about half a year ago, but I abandoned it after not making it possible to work out something. The important thing is being interested in this and having time. But I suppose that after all, we all are doing this "PA thing" for free. -Martijn M. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 16:38
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Jablkon sure is prog.
Also Bulldozer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buldo%C5%BEer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buldo%C5%BEer -------------  |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 17:19
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Buldozer is already http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2208 - here .
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 18:22
One of my favourite classic bands a Slovakian one (Collegium Musicum), I certainly hope there's lots of talent left to discover in this area of the world.  I'll stay tuned  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 18:22
Buldozer was a Yugoslavian band... |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 02:38
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Yes, they're from Yugoslavia (so it's today's ... ?), so let's focus on Czech (or Slovak, after all, I have access to both countries) bands. And anyway, Buldozer is already added, so... Jablkoň, let's suggest this band, it will be interesting. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 05:24
| Kaviar Kavalier should be added.............. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 07:19
| I can help with some bands name from Czech republic or Slovakia, to be added in near future if is ok to PA of course (sad if not). I know someone from my countyry mentioned you few day ago about Votchi, similar with Uriah Heep, Deep Purple with a good doze of prog music. here is the myspace http://www.myspace.com/bandvotchi - http://www.myspace.com/bandvotchi . This band can easy enter at heavy prog, quite unexpected great band, and very young aswell. I will tell you aswell abot other bands from your country maybe you heard or not. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 07:39
Hi, Marty, please erase some of your messages because your box is too full you've reached 100%and I can't give you a proper messages. Tanks. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 07:40
Soprry  for posting here, but other way I can't find this guy.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 16:18
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Fixed. For next three messages. That's real problem, because I don't want to delete them, but I'll have to. Well, it's my way of talking with several people from PA, I don't have other ways to talk with you guys. I hope no one wanted to talk with me meanwhile. I don't know for how long this has been like that, with 500/500. You can send your message now. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:36
Buldožer is from Slovenia, Alberto probably mistaken the country for Slovakia. It's happening. ------------- |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:41
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All the time. Slovenia sounds like Slovakia (and in Czech it is SLOVENSKO & SLOVINSKO, so just one letter different) and Slovakia was part of Czecho. Well, I'll suggest Jablkoň this evening (now 11:39 AM). Hell, I've suggested two bands right now and I plan to suggest others too. Let's watch Heavy Prog thread in Collab zone Moris :-) ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 22 2010 at 04:40
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List updated, four bands added so far. What to do next ? Any ideas ?
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 22 2010 at 05:08
Lubos Andrst ? Bara Basikova? Domaci Capela ? Dunaj? MCH Band? Olympic? Michal Pavlicek ? Richter Band ? Ser Un Pejalero? Marián Varga?  ------------- |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 22 2010 at 17:48
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^ Oh, hi Moris, I overlooked your message. Will check this list and try to find out something. By the way list of bands updated, OH KAY ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: May 22 2010 at 22:19
| I'd be glad to help although I can't read Czech. Links to any bands? |
Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 02:48
Since I understand, how the situation of prog in a small country looks like (we're almost 2 millions), I would really like to help, but I'm still a big newbie to prog ...
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 03:22
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Marty, as far as I know, Krasne Nove Stroje are under evaluation of Crossover, so it might take a while.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 04:35
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^ Did you know you can have a vote in the evaluation in Crossover?
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Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 06:23
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@Marty McFly Have you formed somekinda "must have" list or sth.? That would be very helpful. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 07:22
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OK, I'll give here links to suggestions I've made and that aren't here yet. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67619&KW= - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67619&KW= Let's check them, some of them have myspace pages (and samples), I will find youtube music/videos for others. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 12:22
------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 04:57
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I updated and enhanced this thread, let's make this nice place to discuss Czech bands suggestions, shall we ?
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 07:03
OK Marty, let's keep it in the family again with this new topic page. I will help as much as I can. Good work anyway.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 08:03
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^ Thanks Bogdan. What about to team you up with harmonium.ro (Alex), who is also from Romania ? You two seems that you have some knowledge about Czech bands and you proved good in evaluating them :-) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68658&PID=3704584#3704584 - New Black Metal suggestion ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 09:20
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Nice thread Marty
Let me know if you want me to review any of these bands on here but I will need the music of course as I have none from Czechoslovakia.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 09:58
From the above samples it sounds as kind of progressive metal, but I'm a stranger in this field 
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 13:13
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Jablkon has two votes in the ZART Chart (one "Move", on "Prog Related").
It should be suggested to another team.
Will listen to Psi Vojaci soon. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 25 2010 at 14:23
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You know, it has growls, it's Death Metal for me. But let the team decide, I'm still trying to learn to improve my judgment.
Maybe I gave you bad album, but maybe they would be more suitable to Eclectic. Thanks for update, I overlook it . Psí vojáci, another difficult nut to crack. Their discography is about 20 studio albums (& related projects) long and so it's hard to decide. I have to say that I listened 2 albums. Yeah, just two, so I suggested Baroque.
And be sure that I will keep you on my mind :-) Even I heard that some Czechs went to Australia. By any chance, do you know somebody with this heritage ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 11:51
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Lenghty repost of some thread in Collaborators Zone: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65902&PN=1 - Full thread in Collaborators Zone here
Greg, you will make fine guy to work with, because of this eclecticity. By the way, we recently added Ota Petřina to Symphonic. Maybe you will be interested.
And so we have few bands for ZART too, even some of them will probably be Eclectic and some Crossover.
I have listened Boo. I think they can make a case, but more listens needed.
It was very nice suggestion, Narajama does well in Eclectic.
Dunaj is equally fine in RIO/Avant now.
Her big body of work was probably difficult to correctly classify, wasn't it ? Now, she's also in RIO/Avant.
Let's look into Oblomov and Vuvr again, the rest of them got added :-)
And we now have Votchi too :-) great, unique band.
Let's hope that new thread will be more active. Both are here already and now to your other suggestions from other thread (they'll be here soon). ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 12:19
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Hey,Marty,
It's nice to see you opened the place where all info and suggestions on Estern European progressive music could be discussed! Briefly, I can remember Jazz Celula, Czech band from early 70-s, which in some periods played jazz fusion. Later the founder immigrated to States and founded US-version of this band, but more jazz, not jazz fusion one, which is active till now. The big problem is the public samples of early (Czech) Jazz Celula, may be you can find them. I am not sure, from what I heard they are somewhere between jazz and early jazz fusion in some compositions. Their new (US band) works are pure jazz though. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:18
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I would also like to show my planned strategy. As Alex harmonium.ro told me, there were similar attempts. So what we need is common goal and good planning, good strategy how to achieve it. Therefore I propose you this. It's not final, it's not decisive and all people on this list haven't agreed yet. It's subject to changes. But for now:
People assigned to each country/countries as mentors, as keepers, guardians, whatever you call it. People who will care and have bigger or lesser knowledge in country's scene. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 03:33
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Speaking about Eastern European bands, I believe some of them are well-known now (as SBB, Blue Effect,Collegium Musicum or Riverside) and many are included on PA. But at the same time, there are many of old and new onces, still a best kept secret.
We have there some artists from Baltics on PA, but you always can find something interesting besides of them. For example, there are young generation psychedelic fusion underground band from Lithuania - "Magic Mushrooms". Aren't they interesting? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1creFzb7JgY&feature=related |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 05:25
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For reference purpose: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7440&PID=455492#455492 - Yugoslavian/East European progressive http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32786&PID=2323752#2323752 - Russian Prog Appreciation Thread |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 06:10
lucas can help for Poland as well... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:14
| I have got 3 CDs of early Jazz Celula and 2 CDs of New York Celula. There is no problem to purchase or download anything from Laco Déczi, almost all of his records are available on CD or mp3. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:07
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I´ve suggested some Czech bands or artists to add to Progarchives, mostly through Marty Mc Fly. Some of them is just here, some of them have got the slip...
I should to call attention of these bands:
Red Baron Band - sounds similarly like another Czech band "Votchi", it means Hammond-leaded Vintage Hard Rock with brilliant vocals, sung in English.
http://www.redbaronband.com/ - www.redbaronband.com/
http://www.myspace.com/redbaronbandprague - http://www.myspace.com/redbaronbandprague
Oswald Schneider - Jazz Rock/Fusion band with some modern electronical elements, sung in Czech.
http://www.noise.cz/oswald/ - http://www.noise.cz/oswald/
http://www.myspace.com/oswaldschneidertocnik - http://www.myspace.com/oswaldschneidertocnik
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Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:41
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Thanks Marty for this thread, perhaps it will bring together some of the other threads and ideas from Eastern European Prog. I have really loved discovering this scene. I just got Ota Petrina's albums, on the strength of the reviews that have been posted. Wonderful music! Has anyone heard/know anything about Hungarian band Kormoran? ------------- "I have seen the broken sky turn blue." http://gnosis2000.net/ratertodd.shtml" rel="nofollow - My Gnosis Ratings |
Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 06:28
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Hi Marty, got your essage yesterday, but was too tired to answer. Sorry ... I'd really like to help in this project now that holidays have begun, I think I could do something about my homecountry scene. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 08:19
Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 14:02
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[/QUOTE]
Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE] I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:05
I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"... [/QUOTE]
Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ... And "new" no way always means "progressive"
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 02:58
Red Baron Band sounds as really great early Deep Purple's tribute band, enjoyed the music! Vintage hard rock with keyboards passages. Not progressive, but very enthusiastic music, and no way boring. Nice band! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:43
I really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"... [/QUOTE] Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ... And "new" no way always means "progressive" [/QUOTE]
Nevermind. I´ll wait to another reviewers´opinion. Maybe somebody judges us. Maybe Oswald Schneider belongs better to Crossover Prog...
What´s true, this band plays more than 20 years strictly non-commercial music using fusion between Rock and Jazz with a little odour of Electronica. "Electro-Pop" isn´t it in any case, I promise!
As regards Red Baron Band, I suggest them because there is similar Czech band (from the same city, Prague), named Votchi. With a difference that RBB begins to play earlier, therefore they are old warhorses.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 15:50
^Sure, I think it's great that you suggested the bands many of us didn't know till now. I wrote just my personal opinion, and I believe there could be more different opinions as well. I think this thread will live successfully only if there will be more different suggestions from fans with knowledge of their coountry's music. Not all of suggestions will finish on PA, but at least we all will have possibility to know national scenes better 
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 01 2010 at 12:56
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I would like to show you one of old Czech/Slovak suggestions by Magor (who suggested most of Czech/Slovak bands before): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342&PID=3702920#3702920 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342&PID=3702920#3702920 Not everything has to appeal to Jazz Prog genre, some of them may be Eclectic, or Crossover. It happens all the time. Sadly, requirements for Jazz Rock / Fusion genre are, as you said Slava, strict. I had few days off (in offline world, you know, Land Without Computer), so let me just give time and I will listen it through. Mimochodem Milane, Vltavu, Jazz Celula, Prudy vidím jako dobrou šanci. Jak jsem říkal, Eclectic (pro "divnějšího") a Crossover (pro víc "mainstreamovou") hudbu je naše příležitost. Co ty na to ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 01 2010 at 18:14
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Hi, Marty. Here comes a more Eastern resident. A great blog and a very visually useful map thanks!  And I'm very pleased with "opening Iron Curtain" and "removing the Oriental wall" by all Eastern members here. Already Slava has made some brilliant recommendations to me personally ... Suuk (now under eval in Psych), Saules Laikrodis, Argo (already added in Crossover), Auktyon, Fiodorov-Volkov-Ribot-Medeski, Modo ... Now I'm listenning to Imants Kalnins ... oooo, what a delightful and graceful symphonia with beautiful angel voices! (Thanks Slava!) 
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 04:31
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Slava's country certainly has a lot to offer. Estonia is the smallest from Baltic states and it has much more bands. Not sure why, Slava probably knows why. Anyway Keishiro, what about to use similar map for Asian countries ? You can ask for help of people, who knows more about certain countries and would be willing to talk/suggest bands. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 12:59
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So I'm suggesting: for Crossover Boo Vladimír Mišík & ETC for Psychedelic Klar ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 13:05
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Hi, Marty (and all Eastern Prog fans),
Every albums of Prúdy are included in Collegium Musicum section. I think it´s not alright and this chapter should be divided because there are two another bands.
Jazz Celula - I absolutely don´t know why this band isn´t here yet. This is without doubt masterpiece of JR/F!
Vltava - entirely unclassifiable band in this "strict JR/F criteria". Rock music with a touch of vaudeville, jazz, swing, some modern elements, maybe pop, using dada or surrealistic lyrics, sung in Czech with funny falsetto... I´m curious what would unknowing reviewers say to their music.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 00:57
And as to Klar, atypical for West but a good psych-flavoured outfit. Thumbs up from me. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 14:40
1)From what I saw, only first album ( http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2014#discography - COLLEGIUM MUSICUM discography ) is here. I suppose that Prudy can make a case here and succeed. Give it a time please. 2)Jazz Celula - I was listening their album Oheň až požár and what can I say - pure JR/F. 3)Vltava - I know them very well. I think that JR/F isn't good choice for them, they're not hardcore Jazz like Jazz Celula. Their place would be maybe in Eclectic, or Crossover. Jonáši, na wiki Vltavy se píše "Její hudba mnohdy balancovala mezi popem a kýčem, typické také byly její surrealistické texty" a pop prvky mnohdy znamenají Crossover: Surrealistické texty jsou fajn - pro nás dva, ale nejenom, že jim většina nebude rozumět, ale hlavně se na PA na texty ohled skoro nebere. Jen říkám, jak to je Keishiro, that's fine. Most of my suggestions will be atypical from now on. Aren't all big names here already ? Then it's time to look for these obscure (unknown) or obscure atypical bands like the ones from Czech Republic. Happy hunting :-)
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 01:59
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Hi all,
I´m not quite streetwise in Heavy Metal, but I want to suggest an interesting band from Moravia, land of Czech Republic, named Silent Stream Of Godless Elegy. This is very unique mix of Metal, Folk and (sometimes) Classical music, sung in English or Czech.
Suggestion for Prog Metal.
http://www.ssoge.com/ - www.ssoge.com/
http://www.myspace.com/ssoge - http://www.myspace.com/ssoge
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 03:03
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^ Already on my "to-do" list. Just leave it to me and it'll be OK. Thanks for suggestion though, seems like we're two who have opinion that they are Prog Metal. Prog Metal will-suggest Silent Stream of Godless Elegy of course + Asmodeus & Atari Terror. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 04:38
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Thinking of Czech Prog Rock, I have remembered another interesting artists I´ve seen alive, OTK. This obscure band plays about 21 years their hardshell music, somewhere between RIO/Avant and Eclectic Prog.
http://bandzone.cz/otk - http://bandzone.cz/otk
So, and their fellows, more famous and festooned with many musical prizes in Czech Republic, Tata Bojs, are hard to sort here. I mean Crossover Prog. Especially their 6th, conceptual, piece "Nanoalbum" predestinates them to presence on Progarchives.
http://www.tatabojs.cz/ - http://www.tatabojs.cz/
http://www.myspace.com/tatabojs - http://www.myspace.com/tatabojs
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 17:18
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^ Milan, your suggestions are always a pleasure to read. The ones I sometimes know, but never thought about them in Prog way. I don't know OTK, but Tata Bojs could work. "Nanoalbum" is really a gem, even it may be tough challenge to get them here. What Vltava album do you think is the most Prog ? I was thinking about ///Marx Engels Beatles///, or their very first. Eclectic or Crossover. Unfortunately not Jazz. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 02:43
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Marty,
"Marx Engels Beatles" is the most Prog Vltava album, it´s true. It´s their masterpiece, most compact and hardest album ever. On the previous album "Šťastnej jako trám" are included more Swing and Jazz than Rock. And contemporary Vltava (without record, for the present) brings even more Rock music, without saxes for this once.
OTK - surely, Tata Bojs - maybe. I shouldn´t curse a Tata Bojs´ chance for this time. Let the others express their opinion. I´m curious.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:07
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Briefly listened to Tata Bojs myspace samples, generally indie-pop, influenced by post new-wave. Don't know from what albums these songs come, but more or less all of them are somewhere on indie-pop territory.
OTK samples sound more as Eclectic for me, didn't hear much of avant, at least on presented samples. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:22
Great band's site and many of samples presented there. Sound nice, mix of symphonic metal and some folk elements, very melodic, with classic influences. Something similar to Nightwish, but with more original Eastern European flavours. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:33
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Hi Slava,
if I´d tell the truth, I didn´t believe Tata Bojs to add here. But that´s a pity, their music is certainly interesting, especially their "Nanoalbum". They are, unfortunately, not accepted neither by rockers, nor by pop radios. Their roots are in Punk rock. Nowadays, their style is something like Prog-Indie-Dance (and this isn´t accepted in PA, regrettably).
I recommend you OTK and I hope you´ll like it.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:04
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And Milan ? The best thing you (and I) can do is to have patience, not to push these suggestions by pressure.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:23
I think we need in specialist opinion from that genre there :)
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 12:08
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 12:12
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:09
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Just keep on mind that when someone suggests something, teams are extremely busy, there are dozens of bands they have to evaluate and dozens more are being suggested every week. Try to wait few weeks before bumping. Bumping, mentioning them again. Anyway, I'm quite glad for your propositions. They are giving me hints what is and what is not Prog - from the music I don't know / don't know so well. If you want, just suggest them to me and wait some time, I will eventually handle them sooner or later. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 06 2010 at 01:39
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 04:49
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Well, later today, I'm gonna make some kind of update on our list. Just wait.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 06:34
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Oh Milan ... this illegal video ... NO WAY !!!  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 17:59
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 07 2010 at 18:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goojje - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goojje
 Sorry for my kiddin', Marty ...  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 03:15
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A progrock band (from Tuzla, Bosnia) Terusi, from early 70s, former Yugoslavia >
Also an obscure progrock band from former Yugoslavia, Ibn Tup, i dont know from where exactly (maybe from Serbia, because of the record label) >
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 07:48
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No update yet, so let me show you Eastern European charts: http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=&scountries=21&scountries=28&scountries=32&scountries=52&scountries=55&scountries=65&scountries=76&scountries=91&scountries=112&scountries=118&scountries=220&scountries=155&scountries=167&scountries=218&scountries=211&scountries=212&scountries=194&scountries=203&sminratings=1&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=1&smaxresults=250&x=83&y=11 - Without Poland & Russia (too big) http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&syears=&scountries=21&scountries=28&scountries=32&scountries=52&scountries=55&scountries=65&scountries=76&scountries=91&scountries=112&scountries=118&scountries=220&scountries=162&scountries=167&scountries=168&scountries=218&scountries=211&scountries=212&scountries=194&scountries=203&sminratings=1&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=1&smaxresults=250&x=85&y=7#list - Including Poland & Russia UPDATE: note that Mexico, Pakistan, South Africa, Turmenistan and Multi-National actually aren't on these lists if you look closer. It's just error in PA charts system that always puts them in selection, but they aren't in the list. Unless you process the list again. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 07:59
Very interesting charts Marty, thanks. Nice to see a Romanian album on top in both charts.  I had to edit out Mexico, Pakistan, South Africa, Turmenistan and Multi-National, though. Surprising to see After Crying's albums so low (27, 53, 61 etc.) in the chart. To me they're one of the best bands from this area of the world. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 08:09
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What a big lists! Never thought there are so many E.European albums .
In full list mostly Polish and Czech/Slovak bands are on the top positions, with ex-YU teams right after - I think in whole it's a right picture of region |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 09:58
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Intriguing chart list. Very unusual when you compare it to some of the world charts.
Whats on top 10 Czech radio at present? Not prog but mainstream charts?
At present Australia charts are full of Rap
 and Hip Hop Top 10 Australian Singles
i am embarassed to turn on the radio - actually the radio is rubbish, I will turn to prog webradiostations anyday. -------------
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 10:20
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I am not sure about Czech radio, but for example in Poland there are some small stations, and even few bigger, who translates quite interesting music - from old-time jazz and blues to late 60s-70s progressive rock, jazz-rock, etc. For sure, all big commercial radio stations translate same pop all around the world
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 10:24
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The same in here Scott, I haven't turned on radio for years now.
However, there is quiet famous radio station called Radio Beat, where Beat stands for Rock. It's Rock radio, playing Prog music too, but mostly Rock. There is top 500 song list that was made by votes of listeners: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/FluxBlog/2008/6/-500-flaku-od-beataku-2008 - http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/FluxBlog/2008/6/-500-flaku-od-beataku-2008 Just scroll through Czech text till you get to the list.
So at least you can be barely in connection with Prog here. And Rock quite rocks too, it's good substitute for Prog at times. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 10:49
I'm amazed! Never heard of those.It's a pity they released just a handful of singles... http://www.dzuboks.de/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?129808 - it seems Ibn Tup are from Vojvodina, most likely Novi Sad. Here's my little contribution to prog obscurity of the former country: ------------- |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:05
So, it's nothing strange I never heard about Terusi as well, even if I spent almost three years living not too far from Tuzla
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:10
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Hey Moris, is that guy saying "pizda" or did I mishear? That's a very nasty word in Romanian. And I also heard a widely known Italian swear word, but I'm not sure about that either.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:18
This word means the same in all Balkan languages and all other Turkish/Tartar influenced languages, Alex
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:20
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ROFLMAO! Yes, you've heard it well. His music is full of 'pizda materina' and 'va fan culo'. Quite an uncompromising artist for the last 30 years (and 70 albums! ). He is from Istria, and he's often switching between languages in mid-sentence. It's not uncommon in the area...I guess you can understand him better than 85% of Croatians------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:26
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Oh, sorry for exposing you guys to that particular word, I didn't think it was such an international item And yeah, that's the Italian swear I thought I heard. But no, except for those two expressions I didn't understand more
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 11:38
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The linguistic diversity of the area where I live is stunning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk28f3yNLO0 - This is one of those languages nowadays spoken only in a few villages. Also, Alex, I'm curious to know, could you understand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFU-K7psgk - this?!? These villages are not far away from where I live (20 minutes by car), but unfortunately very few people here are aware of that. ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 12:07
Istro-Romanians... It depends. When they speak normally, sometimes it doesn't make any sense and sounds more like Portuguese, sometimes I recognize words any even bigger portions of talk, but even then I can't figure out what they're saying overall. But when they're asked to speak clear and count or say the days of the week, it sounds almost like Romanian. Also, interesting to see that they have absolutely no problem to understand the Romanian reporter. Phoenix have done a whole piece sung in A-Romanian (but I don't know which A-Romanian dialect they chose, Istro-Romanian or another one). It can be heard on PA: ../mp3.asp?id=799 - Canticlu A Cucuveaualiei How are calling these guys? In many Balkan countries they're called Vlachs (Vlachos in Greece). ../mp3.asp?id=799 - The other sample you posted sounded a bit like Gypsy. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 12:31
They're occasionally called Vlachs, but the term is to hazy, because nowadays it can represent a dozen of various ethnic/regional groups in these parts (at least that's my impression). BTW, thanks for the link, I never bothered to check Phoenix before, it sounds really good! ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 14:14
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Oh, I'll fix that
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 14:48
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Pizda is considered as quite offensive word in Czech too. It refers to pedantic / stupid woman :-? Terusi has therefore one "EP" with two songs (Slutnja & Mjesto pod sluncem) assuming my informations is correct. Can it be considered as release then ? It sounds good (I consider a lot of things as "good", which means thousands of different adjectives). I suppose they could make a case here. What do you think ? Ibn Tup - Based on two songs from Youtube (Deda & Pasidov el kaktus), Arabic Heavy Prog ? Sadly, these songs are not of high quality (not by far), but given conditions back then, I understand. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 15:41
 " razjebala sluzokožu" 
Never heard that one before, awesome stuff!!!
 Thank you Mr Clarke!
PS yea, i have feelling that Ibn Tup was from Vojvodina, you know - abit of humor - that's it!!!; anyway, that communists regime wasnt so bad.
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 15:50
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 16:07
yea, you ought to hear his amazing vocal abilites!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>
1976 LIVE AUDIO
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 16:37
No, not "White Eagle" base
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 16:47
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 18:04
 - especialy inside of the peninsula is great. In 70s and early 80s, those "ghost villiges" were filled up by many of hippies from different countries; the artists, musicians, or just freaks - hey, Ask Mr Clarke for more details.
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Posted By: elektrykbestia
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 22:01
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How about Riverside from Poland? Also, SBB from Poland? Both progressive bands.. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqN9KdS_1375gZLG-A0X2w?view_as=subscriber |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 09 2010 at 01:04
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Janez Boncina is a legendary, crossover prog singer-songwritter from Slovenia who was started his career with that early progrock band Srce (I posted one live track by them). IMHO, Janez deserved to be at PA!
issued 1983
live recorded, i dont know the year.
As I said above, his early band Srce :
1973 live recorded
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 09 2010 at 01:36
They both are on PA, and in fact are possibly most popular progressive artists from all Eastern Europe (just from different periods of time). |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 20:02
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OK, continuing my post from here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342 - Bands from former Czechoslovakia Here's the reply to my reply:
Jazz Celula - really great Jazz. Unfortunately, it doesn't have too much of Rock "element", so maybe this will be a problem. Extempore - sure bet for Avant, I will prepare my suggestion soon. Prudy - still haven't listened them. However, their first album is listed under Collegium Musicum Etc (Vladimir Misik & Etc ...) - I hope he will be successful for Crossover. So far so good. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 12:55
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an amazing Smak's track :
PS ...or this one from the same album...
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