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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:33
Originally posted by Knobby <DIV>I repeat: protoprog is just a dealer term to link certain bands to a distinguishable sound. It is NOT A GENRE which need coverage or pidgeonholing here.</DIV>[/QUOTE Knobby
I repeat: protoprog is just a dealer term to link certain bands to a distinguishable sound. It is NOT A GENRE which need coverage or pidgeonholing here.
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This proto-prog GENRE is what is defined (collectively) by ProgArchives and not by individuals.
This proto-prog GENRE is what is defined (collectively) by ProgArchives and not by individuals.
 
Notwithstanding this, I personally appreciate your input and suggest you substantiate your point. No need to get upset Wink
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well ...the PA 'guys' consider The Moody Blues and Procol to be crossover/prog rock and not proto prog per se....but those are certainly 2 early bands with an early prog sound...and I might have chose In Search Of The Lost Chord which we played the crap out of also in college.
Moody Blues was proto prog in the 60's but became crossover prog in the 70's.
 
In Held T'was In I is the definitive proto-prog song IMO
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

So what is your single favorite Proto-Prog album  of all time from the early days when prog was still in it's infancy between 1967 and 1970...?
I find myself over the years playing 'Twelve Dreams of Dr Sardonicus' by Spirit more than any other proto prog record. What's your story?
 
Cool
 
 
That particular album is not my cup of tea considering it's release being after prog was born around itCotCK. On the other hand, Spirit is one of my favorite proto prog bands.
 
Revolver was the spark, but Sgt. Pepper was the fire that kept prog burning...the sky was the limit...everything was allowed/possible.
 
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Pussy-Plays
Five Day Rain
East Of Eden-Mercator..
Arcadium-Breathe..
The Gods-Genesis
Mike Stuart Span /Leviathan
 
 
Orlroight Dr Wu!
 
Now we are starting to get on the right track.  Well sorta.
 
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I swear sometimes you can tell if an album is proto prog or not by the amount of reverb on the vocals LOL
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

......to me these are 'proto prog'.
 
ego.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

......to me these are 'proto prog'.
 
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It's too bad that so many threads have to degenerate into arguments about what is really what type of music. I fear there are too many hard bolied egos on the forum.
 
Back to some lp's/tracks that I liked from the old days......to me these are 'proto prog'.
 
Pussy-Plays
Five Day Rain
East Of Eden-Mercator..
Arcadium-Breathe..
The Gods-Genesis
Mike Stuart Span /Leviathan
 
 
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Maybe we  should buck the trend, Dean. Become leaders and start a revolution by renaming and redefining the Krautrock Genre. Lay to rest the ghost.


Actually, "neo-kraut" the tag is already invented

How about "proto-neo-kraut" LOL
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its very possible you wont like them, taste is diffrent, thanks god
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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My fav proto prog album is The Who's Live at Leeds - maybe not proto prog album because it was released after ITCOCK? lol

Hard Rock also exists now, as Berlin School as well. And so on.
Everything exist today through new bands.


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No, and nothing inthe bio warms them to me enough to want to listen I'm afraid. Sorry.
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du you know them Dean ?
They are great, you can tag them with any label you like, they are still great.

Edited by tamijo - June 25 2013 at 11:02
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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"A highly recommended German band, still evolving modern Stoner Rock"
 
 
oh, good grief...
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

^^ Yes, and krautrock still exists trough the new bands (listed in PA) too



Off course it does, germany is still there :

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7629
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^^ Yes, and krautrock still exists trough the new bands (listed in PA) too

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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:24
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.

What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.

Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.

Laziness?

Of course not.

Then what is it? Since this theoretic band does not actually exist then there would be some characteristic that makes them more Krautrock than Psych Prog or Advant Prog or Jazz Rock or combinations thereof. If this is so obvious and such a no-brainer that it is a reflex reaction to automatically say "Krautrock" when this ficticious Italian band is first heard then how is this so when there is such diversity in musical styles and directions within the German bands that (unforunately) get dumped into this illnamed catch-all miasma that is laughingly called a "genre" by all except that bands that started it. What are the musical simularities between Can, Amon Düül, Popol Vuh, Faust, Guru Guru (and even Tangerin Dream and Kraftwerk if you're feeling real lazy) that make anyone say that a 2013 band from Italy is Krautrock?
 
You asked why do we call it Krautrock and I answered - that is the historically accurate reason - laziness - pure unadulterated journalistic laziness ... in the 1970s if it was rock and came from Germany it got called Krautrock by lazy British journalists and ever since then we have invented a "genre" around that zenophobic insult, but its still a lazy generalisation.


Aha.
Well, my answer is that krautrock still exist.
...for bands that were called Krautrock in the 1970s. Big smile
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Maybe we  should buck the trend, Dean. Become leaders and start a revolution by renaming and redefining the Krautrock Genre. Lay to rest the ghost.


Actually, "neo-kraut" the tag is already invented
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.

What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.

Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.

Laziness?

Of course not.

Then what is it? Since this theoretic band does not actually exist then there would be some characteristic that makes them more Krautrock than Psych Prog or Advant Prog or Jazz Rock or combinations thereof. If this is so obvious and such a no-brainer that it is a reflex reaction to automatically say "Krautrock" when this ficticious Italian band is first heard then how is this so when there is such diversity in musical styles and directions within the German bands that (unforunately) get dumped into this illnamed catch-all miasma that is laughingly called a "genre" by all except that bands that started it. What are the musical simularities between Can, Amon Düül, Popol Vuh, Faust, Guru Guru (and even Tangerin Dream and Kraftwerk if you're feeling real lazy) that make anyone say that a 2013 band from Italy is Krautrock?
 
You asked why do we call it Krautrock and I answered - that is the historically accurate reason - laziness - pure unadulterated journalistic laziness ... in the 1970s if it was rock and came from Germany it got called Krautrock by lazy British journalists and ever since then we have invented a "genre" around that zenophobic insult, but its still a lazy generalisation.


Aha.
Well, my answer is that krautrock still exist.
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