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I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!!
That's the point Sean, I don't believe anybody DESERVES to be here, they belong or don't belong here, but Prog Archives is not an award that anybody deseve.
There are terrible Prog bands that belong here and great non Prog bands that don't belong here.
I don't believe The Who belong here, but I can live with them in Prog Archives.
Sean Trane wrote:
Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind.....
They are also my favorites from the big 4, with The Beatles far behind. The Stones for me are limeted to "Their Satanic Majesties Request" and the song "Paint it Black", nothinge else moves me.
Cheers
Iván
Ivan makes a subtle and far too often overlooked distinction here which I endorse i.e. why should flawed prog be held in higher regard than very good plain vanilla rock music ? For me, both Quadrophenia and Tommy sound like a band clearly overreaching themselves, and although I applaud their ambition, daring and innovation, (isolated parts of both records are legitimately successful prog creations) it seems self evident that only Townshend would have had the requisite vision, stamina and ability to sustain such material further into the Who's future. Daltry, Moon and Entwistle just appear inhibited and uncomfortable on the proggier output. For this reason the routinely dismissed By Numbers is probably my favourite Who album and why ? because Townshend had reconciled himself to both his own and his collaborators limitations and proceeded thereafter to 'just' produce excellent rock music. (As if that wasn't sufficient ?)
Pete Townshend is a brilliant songwriter first and a progressive instrumental composer second.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 16:47
Sean Trane wrote:
Don't worry Ivān,
I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!!
That's the point Sean, I don't believe anybody DESERVES to be here, they belong or don't belong here, but Prog Archives is not an award that anybody deseve.
There are terrible Prog bands that belong here and great non Prog bands that don't belong here.
I don't believe The Who belong here, but I can live with them in Prog Archives.
Sean Trane wrote:
Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind.....
They are also my favorites from the big 4, with The Beatles far behind. The Stones for me are limeted to "Their Satanic Majesties Request" and the song "Paint it Black", nothinge else moves me.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 09:55
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm a hardcore and faithful fan....But as a fan I wish they would had never been added.
I like to think of them as the kings of Rock not as Proto anything.
They are the head of Rock not the tail of Prog, OMG, not even worth to be in a real sub-genre.
Iván
Don't worry Ivān,
I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!!
One of the (or THE) most exciting drummer ever..........
One of the bassist that rewrote the handbook of bass playing...... and adding all sorts of brass, which gave The Who a strange edge
One of the most amnitious songwriter and guitarist ever...... Maybe not the most virtuoso, but the man knew his fretboard well and pulled an occasional splendid solo
one correct singer.... but probably the band's (relative) weaker link, but still a good singer
Not bad for a bunch of street fighting kids
Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind.....
But their 70's works (including Tommy of late 69) are simply outstanding ...... They've done everything good except for By Numbers, which is clearly a void. .....
But in all fairness I wished they'd stopped at Moon's death and never reformed.......
I xould like to see one or two official live album releases from the 70's (outside the Leeds thing).
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: October 20 2009 at 02:53
The Who are amazing. And I believe they are progressive. More so than e.g. Uriah Heep and who know's who. Who could argue with that. Who's horse is in the hallway?
Underture from Tommy is a masterpiece to me. Keith Moon sounds quite like Carl Palmer on this and that is a real plus. Not that he is trying to intentionally trying to produce a CP style, but his drumming is so progressive here that it is hard not to notice. Entwistle's french horn and Townshend's acoustic playing produce amazing results. I am really taken in by this piece. Tommy was the Who's progressive plateau it seemed. The Who Sell Out was just as monumental as Who's Next, just different in style and musical approach. I died inside the day that Who By Numbers was played on the radio in it's entirety. It no longer had the spark of Who craziness for me. Squeeze Box brought my hopes down of that ever happening again. I bought Who Are You in 79' and was discourged even more. It just didn't feel the same for me. Sometimes I got the impression in the early days, that they might have borrowed from the Kinks. Boris The Spider in particular reminds me of a song right from Village Green Preservation Society. I Can't Explain has a Kinks sound as well. Who's Sell Out and Tommy are both original in content.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 10:31
Just the other day, I heard We're Not Gonna Take It on the radio, and that prompted me to go back and revisit Tommy. Ihad pretty much tucked The Who away in the drawer of "bands I used to like and kind of cooled off on". But Tommy is a very, very good album, I seem to have forgotten why it's regarded as one of the classics of rock music. Of course, you can't beat Who's Next in my book, but Tommy and Quadrophenia? Both excellent.
As for being the most prog of the big 4? As a Beatles pseudo-fanboy, I kind of take offense to that.....
....but then I think about it, and you're totally right!
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 07:43
Well I've done most of my reviewing of this fantastic band (still waiting for Quadrophenia), but the Who is definitely the most prog of the big four of the 60's (Stnes, Beatles, Kinks and Who)
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 05:27
I always loved the Who, they were our best local band, though I regret that i was born too late to see them play in the Mod dives like the Oldfield or the Railway Hotel, though i knew a few who did. I was finally rewarded with a great show at Wembley two years ago and bought a DVD of the show
The Who were part of my teenage days. I highly praised "Tommy", "Quadrophenia" and the superb "Live At Leeds" in the superb Deluxe double CD version (at the time of release, I only got the one vinyl LP).
Two years ago,I witnessed a concert form The Who (fourth row) and it was a very emotional evening. Great songs, great set, Pete & Roger happy to be there and close to the audience.
The whole concert hall was standing, dancing and singing during the superb "Won't Get Fooled Again". What a memorable moment!
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 20:33
mr.cub wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
Excellent points Pablo because I would say John's bass really came to the forefront more and more with each subsequent release after Who's Next. It was always ever present, but something happened with Quadrophenia (maybe the Thunderbird IV bass...I don't know) and his bass just developed into this three headed wonder. Likewise, Townsend began using the keyboard more (with the exception of By The Numbers) and the guitar gradually became less accentuated. Moon's death obviously led to more of this front and center basswork
Yeah, definitely there's less guitar, but still don't get how Face Dances has a rating of 1.96!!! Soon will prepare my 4 stars review, and my 5 stars Who Are You review, stay in tune!
Excellent call with Who Are You. A very refreshing album, can't wait for the review. I will have to get around to reviewing the Moon catalouge as I've only reviewed Tommy through Quadrophenia
Keep your reviews comin'! They're really good! Would like to see your opinion on Who Are You, Face Dances, and their early albums! (no pushing/pressure intended)
Alrighty. Now that I have no school until college in the fall I might just get back into the swing of writing reviews. I'm just very meticulous. Maybe I'll set my goal at one a week
That's okay, I sometimes don't write at all for 2 weeks, and then "Zas!" 3 reviews appear! and then more...
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 20:32
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
Excellent points Pablo because I would say John's bass really came to the forefront more and more with each subsequent release after Who's Next. It was always ever present, but something happened with Quadrophenia (maybe the Thunderbird IV bass...I don't know) and his bass just developed into this three headed wonder. Likewise, Townsend began using the keyboard more (with the exception of By The Numbers) and the guitar gradually became less accentuated. Moon's death obviously led to more of this front and center basswork
Yeah, definitely there's less guitar, but still don't get how Face Dances has a rating of 1.96!!! Soon will prepare my 4 stars review, and my 5 stars Who Are You review, stay in tune!
Excellent call with Who Are You. A very refreshing album, can't wait for the review. I will have to get around to reviewing the Moon catalouge as I've only reviewed Tommy through Quadrophenia
Keep your reviews comin'! They're really good! Would like to see your opinion on Who Are You, Face Dances, and their early albums! (no pushing/pressure intended)
Alrighty. Now that I have no school until college in the fall I might just get back into the swing of writing reviews. I'm just very meticulous. Maybe I'll set my goal at one a week
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 20:27
mr.cub wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
Excellent points Pablo because I would say John's bass really came to the forefront more and more with each subsequent release after Who's Next. It was always ever present, but something happened with Quadrophenia (maybe the Thunderbird IV bass...I don't know) and his bass just developed into this three headed wonder. Likewise, Townsend began using the keyboard more (with the exception of By The Numbers) and the guitar gradually became less accentuated. Moon's death obviously led to more of this front and center basswork
Yeah, definitely there's less guitar, but still don't get how Face Dances has a rating of 1.96!!! Soon will prepare my 4 stars review, and my 5 stars Who Are You review, stay in tune!
Excellent call with Who Are You. A very refreshing album, can't wait for the review. I will have to get around to reviewing the Moon catalouge as I've only reviewed Tommy through Quadrophenia
Keep your reviews comin'! They're really good! Would like to see your opinion on Who Are You, Face Dances, and their early albums! (no pushing/pressure intended)
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 20:24
The Quiet One wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
Excellent points Pablo because I would say John's bass really came to the forefront more and more with each subsequent release after Who's Next. It was always ever present, but something happened with Quadrophenia (maybe the Thunderbird IV bass...I don't know) and his bass just developed into this three headed wonder. Likewise, Townsend began using the keyboard more (with the exception of By The Numbers) and the guitar gradually became less accentuated. Moon's death obviously led to more of this front and center basswork
Yeah, definitely there's less guitar, but still don't get how Face Dances has a rating of 1.96!!! Soon will prepare my 4 stars review, and my 5 stars Who Are You review, stay in tune!
Excellent call with Who Are You. A very refreshing album, can't wait for the review. I will have to get around to reviewing the Moon catalouge as I've only reviewed Tommy through Quadrophenia
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 20:21
mr.cub wrote:
Excellent points Pablo because I would say John's bass really came to the forefront more and more with each subsequent release after Who's Next. It was always ever present, but something happened with Quadrophenia (maybe the Thunderbird IV bass...I don't know) and his bass just developed into this three headed wonder. Likewise, Townsend began using the keyboard more (with the exception of By The Numbers) and the guitar gradually became less accentuated. Moon's death obviously led to more of this front and center basswork
Yeah, definitely there's less guitar, but still don't get how Face Dances has a rating of 1.96!!! Soon will prepare my 4 stars review, and my 5 stars Who Are You review, stay in tune!
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