Is ELP against christianity

Dear friends, those who support my opinions at least,

I am leaving this site. I intended to do it since the inclusion of Radiohead (which I oppose), but I feel it especially below my dignity to read the reviews and opinions of people 90% of whom are religious lunatics.

Oh, internet! Thank you for choosing my society for me!

I no longer trust the moderators. One of them showed himself not only a loony but a professional charlatan. The other moderators included Queen, and other bands whose progressiveness I very much doubt.

The site is undergoing a rapid expansion with being inclusive rather than exclusive, but I feel this practice is very harmful. It will end up being no better than amazon.com. Haven't the moderators thought of selling some merchandise yet?

The forum is childish, rude and often obscene. I was genuinely shocked when I first discovered it (I had thought that the prog listeners were mostly rational intellectuals). The messages the people write and the language they use do not leave the room for a self-respected person to be here any more.

I will probably drop in on progarchives now and then to check some factual information on some bands, but I am pulling out of writing reviews and discussing anything with vulgar people on the forum. There are many intellectual prog sites on the web, albeit not so complete and not so well organised. But I hope it is easier to breathe there.

http://www.mwillett.org/

Fragile wrote: So many non believers on here trying to tell others that God doesn't exist and they cannot begin to figure out exactly who or what is driving them.

Don't weep about it hun. Look at the bastards and LAUGH. Likewise look at the fundamentalist christians wacking others over the head with their pamphlets (such as the ones in town who tried to convince me that I'm the spawn of satan because I'm a CATHOLIC) and laugh.

Laugh laugh laugh away and be happy you're not them and *content* with your spirituality. If you worry about them- worry more about yourself.

Can you say "misguided" and "lost"? I can!

So many non believers on here trying to tell others that God doesn't exist and they cannot begin to figure out exactly who or what is driving them.

Paul Giamatti fighting SUGAR PUFFS

V.S.

and yeah er i agree

I like ThreeFate's point that Lake wrote they lyrics to
Mass and others at a very young age when many
(including myself) began to question institutionalized
religion. Other lyrics were written by Pete Sinfield,
though Lake certainly had no problem singing them.

I was curious though if Lake ever had made any kind
of commitment to religion, one way or the other.

I ask because I have a Michael Card CD called
Poeima (Card is a Christian songwriter/singer). On
the CD is a song called "The Greening of Belfast."
The song is about the tensions between the
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland. Listed on the
credits, along with about twenty other background
vocalists on that song, is "Greg Lake". No doubt
there are many Greg Lake's in the world, but I always
wondered if it was ELP's Greg Lake. Ultimately I
doubt it but was curious nonetheless.

Ultimately, religion and faith are such a personal
thing that opening this topic up for conversations
always starts some kind of flame war.   People are
passionate about the subject, one way or the other.

Pierre

I dont think ELP is anti christians, i yust think they whona help everybody undearstand they dont need to be mindles slaves to a God that not exsists... After this life there will be no more so dont hope for a life after this becaus there is no, after this life your are gone forever... thats the truth and i think most people knows that in there hearts, religion is yust an excuse for doing things so you can blame all bad stuff on God, and so you can start wars and say it was God who told me to do it, yeah realy. I think if there is a God witsh ther is not, religons are the work of the devil and I think God whuld surly like us to think for our self.

Religon is causing much more bad thing on earth then good that i think atleast we all can agree on if there was no religon this world whuld be a much beter place to live on, then we whuldent have anything to dissagre on, but since the world is populated by a wake minded race that need somthing to belive in its never goona hepen and religon is goona be our death.

tangerine62 wrote: dear starette, i was talking about leaving religion out of the prog rock forum for music.....doh. If you notice the thread i started was not in the music bit...so go and take a hike....

Which just goes to show that you missed my point: entirely. I was commending you on letting the topic of religion be ("each to his own" etc) and disagreeing with your starting that thread which contradicted that idea. The fact it was in a music forum has nothing to do with it considering the fact I was focusing on your ideals altogether, not just you behaviour in the forum- DUH!

As for taking a hike- Nah! MAKE me!

Fascinating link BaldJean though it's a bit long- I havn't quite finished yet.

again I recommend this deep and witty dialogue between a mortal and God (written by logician Raymond Smullyan):  http://www.gaiaguys.net/taoist.htm
Friede put my attention to it; it is cited in one of the books of Douglas R. Hofstadter ("The Mind's I", co-written with Daniel Dennett). it is in my opinion an eye-opener for both believers and atheists. what's more, if one follows God's definition of himself in that dialogue, no-one can be an atheist anymore. it is simply impossible. but that definition of God may be a hard nut to swallow for believers also. in any case this dialogue is definitely worth reading; it is highly entertaining, if you have a sense of humor

Tony R wrote: This takes me back.   Where's Threefates when you need her.........?

Its Sunday... and I'm home playing Tarkus!!

Arteum wrote: "How can I possibly convey the power of this experience to you so that you believe that what I experienced let me know it was the Truth? I can't." Just as a looney in a mental home cannot convince me that elephants are red and they can fly. You must become a loony yourself to "experience" the elephant airshows.

Here is exactly where your logic and reason ends. Assuming that religion is the same as something that is supposed to be portrayed as something outrageously impossible. This is based on nothing except your own expectations that faith or Christianity in this case is false. There it all stops.

It's funny because you remind me of the Aristoteleans in the Middle Ages who were fought against so hard during the Scientific Revolution. They held to something(the Aristotelean worldview) without considering other views. It stopped the development of science, because of a worldview. Only when people like Kepler, Descartes and Newton came to say: 'hey, maybe something else is true' progress was made. The starting point of thinking one view is right and the other is not is exactly the antithesis of science, or at least the scientific method. That is why your reason and logic is so flawed, based on a world that does not in any way support you.