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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 20:23
^I second that recommendation. Great album, and to think it originally was a demo!
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what about Yezda Urfa who mixed Gentle Giant with Yes that would count for something i think
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Babylon´s self titled from 78 is the best "reincarnation" of the Yes sound to my ears. Otherwise you should probably check out the new Wobbler album Rites at Dawn, which has a very strong Yes parallel.
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Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:


As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.

A band has fewer clones or followers not because more talented, but because they caused a lesser impact.

I'm sure that Yes is among the most respected bands in UK and USA, but in other countries Genesis is far more accepted, and don't tell me that songs like Fountain of Salmacis, Supper's Ready ( with so many different changes and moods), Can Utility and the Coastliners ,etc are easier music.

In Italy and Sweden for example, Genesis had far more impact, in Germany and Japan, ELP had more followers because they caused a greater impact.

Now Yes had hundreds of followers and clones like 

  1. Starcastle, 
  2. Abbhama (Indonesia), 
  3. Druid, 
  4. Welcome (Switzerland), 
  5. Atlantide (France)
  6. Saens (France)
  7. Glass Hammer
  8. Flower Kings
  9. Lift (USA)
  10. Cathedral
  11. Cherry Five
  12. Exodus (Known as the Polish Yes)
  13. Blue Shift
  14. Flash
  15. Relayer
  16. Banzai
  17. Legacy
  18. Alaska
  19. Mutantes
  20. Big Picture
Just to mention a few

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........oh, and by the way, the last time I saw The Flower Kings in London, Chris Squire was there checking them out Wink
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Pop bands? You mean ABWH ? LOL
 
spocks beard, flower kings, porcupine tree LOL
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Pop bands? You mean ABWH ? LOL
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Yes were pretty good up until 1980 with Drama. Although their consistent high quality dropped after 1972. Either the quality of songs weren't quite as strong or the long songs were hit and miss over the duration of the track. Not interested in what pop bands have been their successor Big smile
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Why nobody has mentioned the Spock's Beard (until Snow)? Also Starcastle are "good clones" if one wants more "Yes" than available. 
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Originally posted by roberto59 roberto59 wrote:


I have been a long time YES fan and as many others I am highly disappointed by the musical course the band has taken after splitting from Jon and Rick.

Yes were one of my favourite bands as a teenager in the 70s.

The only difference between you and I though is that I've been disappointed by their musical course since "Going For The One" Wink


Quote I would like to ask you which are in your opinion the best current bands that make music with a strong vocal and instrumental harmonic side like the classic Yes. I'll give you an example: I just finished listening to Moon Safari's Lover's End: beautiful record and very good vocally, but a bit "superficial" as far as the instrumental development is concerned. Do you know of any group with similar vocal harmonies and deeper musical content?

Roberto

I echo the many recommendations for The Flower Kings Wink

To me, they took over where Yes went wrong from Tormato onwards and they've cerianly been my favourite band for the last 15 years or so.

Not that they are Yes clones or anything but Roine Stolt (their guitarist) is certainly influenced by Howe - but then he's influenced by Hackett, Latimer. Gilmour, Hendrix and any number of other guitarists.

Have a look at this clip from there epic "Garden of Dreams":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuBIi1oJ6f4&feature=related

I posted that clip on a Genesis forum and someone immediately ordered the DVD that it's taken from Smile

Hope you enjoy it as well






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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.

I sense some bias here.  Genesis quickly deteriorated after the departure of Gabriel.  They produced one good album and one just so-so, with every album after that with only slight hints of good prog.
 
Yes, while not equalling Fragile or Close To The Edge since the seventies, has at least retained prog creds, as well as creating some very good music into this millenium.
 
In their Gabriel period they were excellent, creating a sound all their own.  But as great as they were, their sound was simpler, and thus easier to reproduce, than Yes.  Which is why there are so many more Genesis inspired bands than Yes inspired. 
 


I mostly agree with you here, but what kind of bias you see in my comment?Confused
Maybe I sensed something that wasn't there, but it seemed to me that you were placing both Genesis and TFK above Yes in the pantheon of prog. 


Well, TFK has surely more constancy than Yes, but I wouldn't put Unfold the Future (my fav by them) above The Yes Album or Fragile (my favorite and second favorite, respectively), the latter is more important and qualitative better than the former, when they were at their peak.

What I ment was that TFK released more good albums than Yes throughout their career. I mean, really, apart from TYA, Fragile and Relayer, Yes does not have many more albums that really thrill me and I enjoy more TFK albums than I enjoy Yes albums, but none of the albums by TFK can manage to be as good as these three for me.

And I certainly would not place Genesis above Yes. LOL
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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Two that come to mind for me are The Flower Kings and Magenta, especially their Metamorphosis album. Neither has the level of vocal harmony of Yes at it's best, but musically I find them very solidly in the Yes category and enjoy both quite a bit.

As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.


I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.



LOL Didn't quite mean it that way, but........
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.

I sense some bias here.  Genesis quickly deteriorated after the departure of Gabriel.  They produced one good album and one just so-so, with every album after that with only slight hints of good prog.
 
Yes, while not equalling Fragile or Close To The Edge since the seventies, has at least retained prog creds, as well as creating some very good music into this millenium.
 
In their Gabriel period they were excellent, creating a sound all their own.  But as great as they were, their sound was simpler, and thus easier to reproduce, than Yes.  Which is why there are so many more Genesis inspired bands than Yes inspired. 
 


I mostly agree with you here, but what kind of bias you see in my comment?Confused
Maybe I sensed something that wasn't there, but it seemed to me that you were placing both Genesis and TFK above Yes in the pantheon of prog. 


Well, TFK has surely more constancy than Yes, but I wouldn't put Unfold the Future (my fav by them) above The Yes Album or Fragile (my favorite and second favorite, respectively), the latter is more important and qualitative better than the former, when they were at their peak.

What I ment was that TFK released more good albums than Yes throughout their career. I mean, really, apart from TYA, Fragile and Relayer, Yes does not have many more albums that really thrill me and I enjoy more TFK albums than I enjoy Yes albums, but none of the albums by TFK can manage to be as good as these three for me.

And I certainly would not place Genesis above Yes. LOL


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The band name should make their intentions quite clear. ;)
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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.

I sense some bias here.  Genesis quickly deteriorated after the departure of Gabriel.  They produced one good album and one just so-so, with every album after that with only slight hints of good prog.
 
Yes, while not equalling Fragile or Close To The Edge since the seventies, has at least retained prog creds, as well as creating some very good music into this millenium.
 
In their Gabriel period they were excellent, creating a sound all their own.  But as great as they were, their sound was simpler, and thus easier to reproduce, than Yes.  Which is why there are so many more Genesis inspired bands than Yes inspired. 
 


I mostly agree with you here, but what kind of bias you see in my comment?Confused
Maybe I sensed something that wasn't there, but it seemed to me that you were placing both Genesis and TFK above Yes in the pantheon of prog. 
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Originally posted by roberto59 roberto59 wrote:



I have been a long time YES fan and as many others I am highly disappointed by the musical course the band has taken after splitting from Jon and Rick.


Doesn't sound that radically different to me. Confused
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.

I sense some bias here.  Genesis quickly deteriorated after the departure of Gabriel.  They produced one good album and one just so-so, with every album after that with only slight hints of good prog.
 
Yes, while not equalling Fragile or Close To The Edge since the seventies, has at least retained prog creds, as well as creating some very good music into this millenium.
 
In their Gabriel period they were excellent, creating a sound all their own.  But as great as they were, their sound was simpler, and thus easier to reproduce, than Yes.  Which is why there are so many more Genesis inspired bands than Yes inspired. 
 


I mostly agree with you here, but what kind of bias you see in my comment?Confused
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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.

I sense some bias here.  Genesis quickly deteriorated after the departure of Gabriel.  They produced one good album and one just so-so, with every album after that with only slight hints of good prog.
 
Yes, while not equalling Fragile or Close To The Edge since the seventies, has at least retained prog creds, as well as creating some very good music into this millenium.
 
In their Gabriel period they were excellent, creating a sound all their own.  But as great as they were, their sound was simpler, and thus easier to reproduce, than Yes.  Which is why there are so many more Genesis inspired bands than Yes inspired. 
 
 
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Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Two that come to mind for me are The Flower Kings and Magenta, especially their Metamorphosis album. Neither has the level of vocal harmony of Yes at it's best, but musically I find them very solidly in the Yes category and enjoy both quite a bit.

As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.


I liked how you subtlelly said Genesis was an untallented band. LOL

As for The Flower Kings, I would say that they are a better band than Yes in at least in the lastability of their group, since they are out there for at least a couple of decades, with no sign of stopping and with an average album quality of the highest degree. Yes has most of their best albums placed in the first half of the 70's, wile TFK have top quality albums released throughout their existance.
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Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Two that come to mind for me are The Flower Kings and Magenta, especially their Metamorphosis album. Neither has the level of vocal harmony of Yes at it's best, but musically I find them very solidly in the Yes category and enjoy both quite a bit.

As a long time Yes fan too, I've noticed that there are far, far fewer bands that have sounds in the Yes vein as opposed to bands who have emulated the classic Genesis style. A tribute I think to how talented Yes were at their peak.


Yes, Flower Kings and Magenta are the best examples. I would add Glass Hammer, but to a certain degree.
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