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Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:32

Even if MLOR and the wall are not my favourite ones ,i think the floyd never realy fell, it's a fantastic band and the three david dvd and the roger one ( in the flesh ) still are my great happiness Tongue

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Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:26

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The original version of Dogs was called You Gotta Be Crazy.

and Raving and Drooling became Sheep

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Posted: December 10 2010 at 10:38

The original version of Dogs was called You Gotta Be Crazy.

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Posted: December 09 2010 at 16:15

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I think they fell with "The Wall". The last Pink Floyd album proper, was "Animals", which I remember hearing in early 1977 when first released. It certainly was a team effort, and still has the trademark Floydian ingredients: Gilmour plays one of the finest solos of his career on "Dogs"; Wright is still prominent with layers of organ and synths; Mason keeps things together as usual; Waters writes some powerful and biting lyrics. After that, it was the beginning of a different band. Roger's solo career began with "The Wall" and it continues to the present day.

You should have heard the original ... called "Raving and Drooling" ... it was the best space rock song ever done and had Gilmour going even further out ... which was taken out by Waters in the re-mixing of the album ... which also killed the song and made it something else ... although I will admit that it did have a nice moment in it ... and you could feel Anaheim Stadium lift and your stomach turn on a chord change on the keyboard part ... but that is/was the only thing that made that song stand out ... the rest was not as nice or as good as before.

The album is nice, but not half as good as the original ... not even close! It's too bad that the majority here will never hear it or have any idea about it ... or even learn what the Greatest Gig in the Sky was really all about ... because it was about Syd!

Edited by moshkito - December 09 2010 at 16:17

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Posted: December 07 2010 at 01:23

I think they fell with "The Wall". The last Pink Floyd album proper, was "Animals", which I remember hearing in early 1977 when first released. It certainly was a team effort, and still has the trademark Floydian ingredients: Gilmour plays one of the finest solos of his career on "Dogs"; Wright is still prominent with layers of organ and synths; Mason keeps things together as usual; Waters writes some powerful and biting lyrics. After that, it was the beginning of a different band. Roger's solo career began with "The Wall" and it continues to the present day.

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Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:29

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... ... It should be mentioned though that all members of Floyd had their sights set on commercial success (though maybe not Barrett, but we'll never know that for sure now). However, they seemed to aim for that mostly in the business side, while the music remained completely in their control (they made sure of this fairly early on). ...

I'm not sure this is the case ... the nice attention they were getting was helping them get around and get known ... but they did things that most rock bands don't do at all today ... where someone is so pre-occupied with fame and notoriety and making sure they had heard and seen on Prog Archives.

PF already had a lot of attention in 1972, and they had already been a part of at least 3 movies, 2 by Barbet Schroeder, 1 by Anotnioni that was totally hacked by the American studio that paid for it that did not want to use Pink Floyd, and several other film projects, one released as a concert with DSOTM outtakes, a lot of which ... Nick Mason called ... "nice home movies" ...

The point to be made here, is that Pink Floyd was looking for their music to be "visual" ... and they had made the call that their concerts would be a treat ... and then they put together a trip for DSOTM, that featured a film that won an Oscar later, and had some far out singers and the tours were sold out. heck ... PF was sold out in 1972 at the Hollywood Bowl where I saw them first ... to give you an idea ... and their main concern then, was the quality of the music coming through the Quadraphonic sound system they started with ... (they were the first with it) ...

I don't thik that PF fell ... I think they ran the course of their life ... and what more can you do together? ... not much except share a glass of wine and look at each other and say ... we did well ... much better than we thought.

And btw, much of "The Final Cut" were out takes from The Wall, and they were in the first version of the film and were cut later because it was too long for the American audience and they wanted to make sure they did not go over the 2 albums time span. The extra material was about Roger's dad and the war, and that is where Vera Lynn and a lot of the war stuff came from ... and added a very nice historical concept to the story of The Wall. As it is right now, the whole 4th side is bizarre and the whole military thing is stupid ... and an analogy for the social powers, and that was not exactly the concept before, and it still isn't!

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Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:21

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Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:46

Around 1968

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Posted: December 05 2010 at 01:36

I think they lost their footing with the Cut and Reason albums but really ended on a bang with Division Bell. That album for me stands up to any of their 70's material.

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 19:03

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it was when the changed their name to the Screaming Abdabs

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:35

Everythings has its time and its place. For Pink Floyd this coincidence is gone, but i am thankful for a lot of really great music.

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:27

it was when the changed their name to the Screaming Abdabs

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 09:58

With Obscured by Clouds and Dark Side of the Moon they became a lot less interesting, but I wouldn't say they "fell" as they still had high quality outputs.

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 08:03

Meddle indicated the fall of Pink Floyd..

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 07:31

I didn't claim it to be a fact. But for what it's worth, my assessment is that it's a largely AOR/MOR oriented affair that would not get half the respect it does if it were not for the Floyd name. I go the other way, I find it disappointing to hear the adventurous, daring Floydians going through the motions. The only reason I don't come down too hard on it is Gilmour can't help being, well, Gilmour and that lends a semblance of emotion to the otherwise sleepy music.

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 07:27

rogerthat wrote:

The_Jester wrote:

Or do you pretend they did not fell?

Why should it be "pretend"? Confused

If we believe they didn't, we are necessarily wrong and biased? Floyd went into gentle decline after Dark Side, which lapsed into the mild mannered boredom of the last two Gilmour albums but it was not a fall by any means. As a last album, Division Bell is quite coherent and well written and expressed. Boring, especially for my taste, but that does not constitute a fall, as in a band who badly lost their way and failed to make sense at any level.

Sputtered and evaporated? I didn't find the DB boring at all.

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:02

The_Jester wrote:

Or do you pretend they did not fell?

Why should it be "pretend"? Confused

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:23

^ The Delicate Sound Of Thunder is perhaps "unnecessary", but I think it was recorded and released to make a point and the point was well made at the time - Pink Floyd wasn't a spent force and they could continue without Waters.

Pulse is completely necessary IMO - Floyd were(are) one of the most bootlegged bands of all time and RoIO albums were the only way of hearing Meddle, ATM, DSotM, WYWH, Animals and The Wall played live since Floyd hadn't officially released any live albums during the height of their success through the 70s.

I've just replaced the battery in my copy so the pulse blinks again

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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:08

I used to really dislike The Final Cut but recently have found it's chilling austerity to conceal some real fine melodies. It's not an everyday impulse though but now I regard it as a fine album.

Have a look at the Rough Guide To Pink Floyd. He really takes DG to task (especially his bass player) for U2 like moments and unnecessary live albums (unlike Ummagumma.)

I find it amazing that a band of the commercial level of PF managed to navigate different albums of different music and really challenging progressive listeners (who can like preferred formula just as much as anyone alse...)

Courageous band all round.

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Posted: December 02 2010 at 22:14

Alberto Muñoz wrote:

They never "fell", define "fell".

Pete and Repeat were sitting on a fence. If Pete fell off, who'd be left?

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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