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Hercules 
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
 Posted: August 26 2008 at 10:23 |
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Steely Dan are far closer to prog than Meshuggah and the myriad crappy, unlistenable tech/extreme metal bands that sem to have found acceptance on here.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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omri
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 1250 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 10:02 |
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I did not vote !
I am familiar with most of SD output for many years now and I love the band. I find Aja to be their best album but I do not find it a masterpiece. I can assure you that in a week or two some more reviews will be added and it will reach it's logical rating (something like 3.8 I assume). As allways those who love an album most are the first to review and make some 5 star reviews.
On the other hand I think that SD made fine music. The way I see it what we define as prog is so wide that nothing will happen if we add some more fine bands. Those who think different can always ignore the bands that aren't truely prog for them.
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Mind Drive
Forum Newbie 
Joined: September 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 28 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 09:05 |
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I am a big fan of Steely Dan but to say they are prog is a little silly. Prog is being stretched to include bands that have nothing to do with it. At this rate we will soon be adding:
KISS (They dressed in costumes just like Peter Gariel did)
The Partridge Family ( I think David Cassidy actually played his guitar-and they play guitar in prog bands)
Chicago (They were a band of good musicians that went pop- just like Genesis)
Three Dog Night (They did harmonies and prog bands like Yes do harmonies)
We seem to be watering down the list of bands on this sight.
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 08:05 |
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And one more thing- how is it that Aja is "Essential: A Masterpiece of Progressive Music?"
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 07:43 |
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I can't think of one song that would qualify them to be here.
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iguana
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 01 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 825 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 06:23 |
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many proggy traits, esp. in their attitude to their craft. not prog though. great nonetheless.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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someone_else
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VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24646 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 05:49 |
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I don't think that Steely Dan is real prog, so I vote "nope". On the other hand, I don't think it's not absolutely non-prog either, so IMHO one may call it "Prog Related", "Crossover Prog", "Second Label-Prog" or whatsoever...
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Chris S
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 05:11 |
You can say that again!....some very valid comments above both for and against.
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:47 |
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I had to vote no, although I love the SD albums.
But in my mind they are difinitively Prog-related.
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The Pessimist
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:42 |
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I always thought they were in their own way. However, the addition of SD will eventually open the gateway for bands like Chicago (Chicago Transit Authority days i mean) and early Gino Vanelli to be added also. Such things would have been frowned at not so long ago.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg |
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russellk
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:38 |
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I'm not for a moment suggesting Steely Dan shouldn't be here. Quite the opposite: if knowledgeable people have included it, I'm quite keen to explore further. I've had 'Aja' since not long after it came out, but it never enticed me to continue my journey into this band. I have to admit I'd filed it under 'soft rock' and let it accumulate dust. I've brushed it off since SD have been added here and listened to it again. I've revised my opinion: sophisticated soft rock.
But you know what? I've found that by reading enthusiastic reviews of albums I've come to enjoy and appreciate them more. So keep writing those 'Aja' reviews and let's see what happens ... I'm determined never to miss a good musical experience because I'm prejudging the music. |
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65668 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 03:08 |
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you receive a weekly feed each monday.. check the 'new artists added' part for the last month or so .. that's the best I can offer
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b_olariu
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 02 2007 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 5536 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 03:04 |
Yes i know you concentrate on prog bands, but try harder, dig deeper for older and newer bands, that's why is called PROGRESSIVE ARCHIVES. I 'd tryied many times to tell you about some bands, that in other prog sites are seen as treasures, but here nobody even heared of them, not to mention to be added. Don't get me wrong, i love PA and i'm every day here, looking and reading, searching for something to listen, but sometimes you miss the point of the word ARCHIVES.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65668 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:50 |
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we DO concentrate on prog bands, that's just about ALL we do ..then a band that had a bit of radio success and dared to write art rock that was understated, even delicate, is added and we have war for two weeks... welcome to Arkham Asylum
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b_olariu
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 02 2007 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 5536 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:45 |
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yes as related band or musician is ok, because David Bowie and others are here why not him. I saw that in past few month more and more non prog or related bands and musicins are added. I think must concentrate more on real progressive bands, not only related or something near to prog. Are so many prog bands that wait to be added, and by my surprise those bands maybe never will be here because of diffrent opinions of the collaborators.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65668 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:41 |
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yes the human factor, always a bitch!
 BTW, my post was not directed at you, but at anyone interestedEdited by Atavachron - August 26 2008 at 02:42 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:37 |
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Sorry David if I sounded harsh, but this issue with the judge is driving me nuts.
Knowing something like this is happening (I have a declaration but it's not enough prove) and having to tell my client to do nothing is really hard.
Thanks God there's a Superior and Supreme Court with judges who are very honest and will see the case in some months
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 26 2008 at 02:44 |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65668 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:30 |
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of course Ivan, you have nothing but my respect and friendship
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:26 |
David, i haven't posted a word before the inclusion of Steely Dan, but my opinion is that their music is not remotely Prog, I'm a fan of Steely Dan thanks to HT who introduced me to their music, but don't se a hint of Prog as don't see a hint of Prog in Stevie Wonder despite he's a pioneer of Mellotron..
I won't object or say anything about their addition, I understand they are here and until this moment I kept my mouth shut, as a fact I've been very busy this week with a very important trial that is absorbing a lot of my time (Apparently the other part bought the judge and I can't take the risk to get this particular judge as enemy, so I have to be very careful and trust the Supreme Court), so I haven't really worried for Steely Dan.
But if an opinion is asked, as always I will give mine.
Iván
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65668 |
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:17 |
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have a listen to this cut micky posted in the SD appreciation thread, listen to those synth solos and sophisticated arrangements, and judge for yourself if it isn't as prog as prog as, say, Argent, Supertramp, or a cut like 'Lucky Man'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc Edited by Atavachron - August 26 2008 at 02:18 |
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